This Table includes a comparison between the scientific and the
occult atomic weights. The scientific atomic weights were
calculated from the International list of atomic weights 1949, where
O = 16.00 and H = 1.008. The final decision as to the names of
elements Nos. 43, 61, 85 and 87 was made too late to be used in this
book.
Number
ATOMIC WEIGHT
EXTERNAL
No.
Name
Symbol
of Anu
Occult
Scientific
Form
1
Hydrogen
H
18
1.00
1.00
Ovoid
-
Adyarium
Ad
36
2.00
-
Ovoid
-
Occultum
Oc
54
3.00
-
Ovoid
2
Helium
He
72
4.00
3.97
Star
3
Lithium
Li
127
7.06
6.89
Spikes
4
Beryllium
Be
164
9.11
8.94
Tetrahedron
5
Boron
B
200
11.11
10.73
Cube
6
Carbon
C
216
12.00
11.91
Octahedron
7
Nitrogen
N
261
14.50
13.90
Ovoid
8
Oxygen v1
O
290
16.11
15.87
Ovoid
8
Oxygen v2
O
310
17.22
-
Ovoid
8
Oxygen v3
O
348
19.33
-
Ovoid
9
Fluorine
F
340
18.88
18.85
Spikes
10
Neon
Ne
360
20.00
20.02
Star
-
Meta-Neon
mNe
402
22.33
-
Il
Sodium
Na
418
23.22
22.81
Dumb-bell
12
Magnesium
Mg
432
24.00
24.13
Tetrahedron
13
Aluminium
A1
486
27.00
26.76
Cube
14
Silicon
Si
520
28.88
27.84
Octahedron
15
Phosphorus
P
558
31.00
30.73
Cube
16
Sulphur
S
576
32.00
31.81
Tetrahedron
17
Chlorine
Cl
639
35.50
35.17
Dumb-bell
-
Meta-Chlorine
mCl
667
37.06
-
18
Argon
Ar
714
39.66
39.68
Star
-
Meta-Argon
mAr
756
42.00
-
-
Proto-Argon
pAr
672
37.33
-
19
Potassium
K
701
38.94
38.79
Spikes
20
Calcium
Ca
720
40.00
39.76
Tetrahedron
21
Scandium
Sc
792
44.00
44.74
Cube
22
Titanium
Ti
864
48.00
47.52
Octahedron
23
Vanadium
V
918
51.00
50.55
Cube
24
Chromium
Cr
936
52.00
51.60
Tetrahedron
25
Manganese
Mn
992
55.11
54.50
Spikes
26
Iron
Fe
1008
56.00
55.41
Bars
27
Cobalt
Co
1036
57.55
58.47
Bars
28
Nickel
Ni
1064
59.11
58.52
Bars
Number
ATOMIC WEIGHT
EXTERNAL
No.
Name
Symbol
of Anu
Occult
Scientific
Form
29
Copper
Cu
1139
63.277
63.04
Dumb-bell
30
Zinc
Zn
1170
65.00
64.86
Tetrahedron
31
Gallium
Ga
1260
70.00
69.17
Cube
32
Germanium
Ge
1300
72.22
72.02
Octahedron
33
Arsenic
As
1350
75.00
74.12
Cube
34
Selenium
Se
1422
79.00
78.33
Tetrahedron
35
Bromine
Br
1439
79.94
79.38
Dumb-bell
36
Krypton
Kr
1464
81.33
83.04
Star
-
Meta-Krypton
mKr
1506
83.66
-
37
Rubidium
Rb
1530
85.00
84.80
Spikes
38
Strontium
Sr
1568
87.11
86.93
Tetrahedron
39
Yttrium
Yt
1606
89.22
88.21
Cube
40
Zirconium
Zr
1624
90.22
90.50
Octahedron
41
Niobium
Nb
1719
95.50
92.17
Cube
42
Molybdenum
Mo
1746
97.00
95.19
Tetrahedron
43
Masurium
Ma
1802
100.11
98.21
Spikes
44
Ruthenium
Ru
1848
102.66
100.90
Bars
45
Rhodium
Rh
1876
104.22
102.1
Bars
46
Palladium
Pd
1904
105.77
105.9
Bars
47
Silver
Ag
1945
108.06
107.0
Dumb-bell
48
Cadmium
Cd
2016
112.00
111.5
Tetrahedron
49
Indium
In
2052
114.00
113 q
Cube
50
Tin
Sn
2124
118.00
117.8
Octahedron
51
Antimony
Sb
2169
120.50
120.8
Cube
52
Tellurium
Te
2223
123.50
126.6
Tetrahedron
53
Iodine
I
2287
127.06
125.9
Dumb-bell
54
Xenon
Xe
2298
127.66
130.3
Star
-
Meta-Xenon
MXe
2340
130.00
-
,.
55
Caesium
Cs
2376
132.00
131.9
Spikes
56
Barium
Ba
2455
136.39
136.3
Tetrahedron
57
Lanthanum
La
2482
137.88
137.8
Cube
58
Cerium
Ce
2511
139.50
139.0
Octahedron
59
Praeseodymium
Pr
2527
140.39
139.8
Cube
60
Neodymium
Nd
2575
143.06
143.1
Tetrahedron
61
Illinium
Il
2640
146.66
145.8
Spikes
-
Meta-Illinium
-
2736
152.00
-
.,
-
X Interperiodic
-
2646
147.00
-
Bars -
-
Y Interperiodic
-
2674
148.55
-
Bars -
-
Z Interperiodic
-
2702
150.22
-
Bars
Number
ATOMIC WEIGHT
EXTERNAL
No.
Name
Symbol
of Anu
Occult
Scientific
Form
-
Isotope Z
-
2716
150.88
Bars
62
Samarium
Sm
2794
155.22
149.2
Dumb-bell
63
Europium
Eu
2843
157.94
150.8
Tetrahedron
64
Gadolinium
Gd
2880
160.00
155.7
Cube
65
Terbium
Tb
2916
162.00
158.0
Octahedron
66
Dysprosium
Ds
2979
165.55
161.2
Cube
67
Holmium
Ho
3004
166.88
163.6
Tetrahedron
68
Erbium
Er
3029
168.27
165.9
Dumb-bell
-
Kalon
-
3054
169.66
Star
-
Meta-Kalon
-
3096
172.00
Star
69
Thulium
TM
3096
172.00
168.1
Spikes
70
Ytterbium
Yb
3131
173.94
171.7
Tetrahedron
71
Lutetium
Lu
3171
176.17
173.6
Cube
72
Hafnium
Hf
3211
178.38
177.2
Octahedron
73
Tantalum
Ta
3279
182.17
179.5
Cube
74
Tungsten
W
3299
183.28
182.5
Tetrahedron
75
Rhenium
Re
3368
187.11
184.8
Spikes
76
Osmium
Os
3430
190.55
188.7
Bars
77
Iridium
Ir
3458
192.11
191.6
Bars
78
Platinum A
Pt
3486
193.66
193.7
Bars
-
Platinum B
-
3514
195.22
Bars
79
Gold
Au
3546
197.00
195.6
Dumb-bell
80
Mercury A
Hg
3576
198.66
199.1
Tetrahedron
-
Mercury B
-
3600
200.00
-
Tetrahedron
81
Thallium
Tl
3678
204.33
202.8
Cube
82
Lead
Pb
3727
207.06
205.6
Octahedron
83
Bismuth
Bi
3753
208.50
207.6
Cube
84
Polonium
Po
3789
210.50
208.3
Tetrahedron
85
Astatine
At
3978
221.00
208.3
Dumb-bell
86
Radon
Rn
3990
221.66
220.2
Star
-
Meta-Radon
-
4032
224.00
-
Star
87
Francium
Fr
4006
222.55
221.2
Spikes
88
Radium
Ra
4087
227.06
224.3
Tetrahedron
89
Actinium
Ac
4140
230.00
225.2
Cube
90
Thorium
Th
4187
232.61
230.3
Octahedron
91
Proto-actinium
Pa
4227
234.83
229.2
Cube
92
Uranium
U
4267
237.06
236.2
Tetrahedron
Extracts from Stenographic Notes -- Reports of certain of the
Investigations
THE purpose
of publishing these extracts is to show the technique and conditions under
which the work was done. The reader should study these side by side with
the diagrams given earlier. In order to facilitate this the extracts are
arranged in the order in which the subjects and diagrams appear in the
book and page references given. The objective nature of Mr. Leadbeater's
clairvoyance appears very evident.
The observations were made by Mr. C. W. Leadbeater and the
questioner was Mr. C. Jinarajadasa. All were made between 1922 and
1933 and took place in Australia or at Adyar. Madras. Miss K V.
Maddox was the stenographer in Australia.
The following observation of the electrolysis of water was performed
at Adyar. Vessels con taining distilled and tap water were used and
two copper terminals attached to the house mains were placed in the
water. The current was D. C. At 2-30 p.m. Mr. Leadbeater sat by a
window with the two receptacles before him. (The current is turned
on.)
C. J.
Is this Hydrogen coming off here?
C. W. L.
It is happening very slowly.
C. J.
The main thing is, is this the ordinary Hydrogen or a
double variety?
C. W. L.
I do not see anything different yet. Wait a minute.
Wouldn't you do it more quickly if you gave it something to combine
with, if you put in old rusty nails? (There were no nails, so a
rusty key was put in.)
C. J.
Here is distilled water. There is some thing coming. I
can see the gas coming quickly.
C. W. L.
This probably is not particularly pure, you know.
C. J.
Plenty of Hydrogen coming out there.
C. W. L.
And it is supposed that one in a thousand will be double
Hydrogen?
C. J.
Double the weight, but what is its construction nobody
knows.
C. W. L.
Well, wait a bit. We'll see. It does not form bubbles as
quickly as the other did.
C. J.
This is ordinary water; it has more dirt in it, and so more
Hydrogen is released. Still all the same Hydrogens?
C. W. L.
I have not seen anything yet that I can
differentiate.
C. J.
Chall I slow it down?
C. W. L.
No. If we have to wait for one in a thousand, we'll probably
have to wait some little time. (After half a minute:) Are they
supposed permanently to keep this double form? Because there is
one thing there - you know the shape of the thing? Now sometimes
two come out crossed, like crossing each other.
C. J.
Two what?
C. W. L.
Hydrogens. They lie across one another like that (illustrates
by making a cross with his fingers). They may separate again. It
is only a temporary alliance I think. Ordinary Hydrogen when you
have him is unmixed.
C. J.
Does he go like this? (drawing two circles crossing).
C. W. L.
He is ovoid. In some cases there is another ovoid lying
across him. You might say he had married, but I am afraid divorces
are possible in that union.
C. J.
Well, will you investigate if both Hydrogen are alike.
We found in Hydrogen two triangles. Is it that of these two
Hydrogens one is a more positive variety?
C. W. L.
There are the two kinds that meet in that queer way.
C. J.
They do not hold?
C. W. L.
They do not necessarily hold, but I presume they might do so.
They can apparently enter into that temporary alliance and
then fall away again; but some of them do not.
C. J.
When they enter into alliance, do the separate sphere walls
coalesce?
C. W. L.
No. They lie across one another: (Makes a drawing.) The
Hydrogen is generally egg-shaped, but there may come another fellow
who for the time seems to be like that. (Draws). Yes, they
coalesce, but they do not go into one circle like that.
C. J.
I see.
C. W. L.
You have raised only about three of these. How are they
coming on now?
C. J.
Here I may get it out of distilled water. Do more come out
of the dirty water than out of the distilled?
C. W. L.
Only three (double Hydrogen) altogether so far. Now I am
waiting for another.
C. J.
Do you think it is generated by the electric current? Not
a natural thing?
C. W. L.
The electric current breaks up the water.
C. J.
It may be an artificial product caused by the current,
C. W. L.
We would have to take averages, wouldn't we? That is very
dirty water. Is it coming more quickly?
C. J.
Yes, much more quickly.
C. W. L.
Yes, now there is another twisted fellow, crossed, Is
there any smell?
C. J.
Well. Hydrogen has not much smell anyway. Can you see any
more in the stream coming out from the point?
C. W. L.
It is all rather a phenomenon, as far as I can see.
C. J.
And then?
C. W. L.
There is one fellow holding together with another that has
gone up to the ceiling.
C. J.
Distilled water now.
C. W. L.
Not so rapid. Strange they should cross one another in that
queer way. In the three or four we have seen, there are the two
different kinds of hydrogen of course. That seems a fortuitous
cross; but it must be something more than that, because there are
always two different kinds.
Observation at a distance. Masurium, p53
Mr. Leadbeater
soon found that it was not necessary for him to have an element before
him for investigation, provided he knew where that element was to be located.
Thus, for instance, in connection with the investigations at Adyar in 1933.
one element hunted for was Masurium. It seemed likely that this new element
might be found among Rubidium salts, but I had no Rubidium salts, and at
the moment of investigation I could not procure any in Madras. It was therefore
necessary to look for it elsewhere. I had with me several chemicals procured
from Hilger and Co. Their address was on the samples, in Rochester Place,
Camden Road, London. Mr. Leadbeater could find this street easily, and
from Adyar he located the laboratory of Hilger and Co. He then saw where
all the chemicals were stored in bottles on shelves. The next thing was
to find out where were the bottles containing Rubidium salts, and for this
he had to tap the mind of one of the assistants who was working among the
bottles; he then located the salts, but Masurium was not among them. He
promised to take up the investigation at night during sleep. Meanwhile
I found that Masurium was discovered in certain oxides. These oxides were
among the rare earths that I had procured from Hilger and Co.
Another instance of the way that an examination could be carried
on at a distance was in the case of the Radium emanations. We had
not Radium at Adyar but some was kept at the Madras Hospital. I
went to the hospital and saw where the needles of Radium were kept
in a lead cabinet. When I got back the picture in my mind of the
room and the cabinet was sufficient and he then watched the Radium
emanations.
Isotopes
One noteworthy fact recorded in these investigations was the
existence of isotopes. It was in 1913 that isotopes were discovered
by chemists. But already, in 1907, isotopes were recorded, and
diagrams given, of the isotopes of the inert gases, Neon, Argon,
Xenon and Krypton. One was noted of Platinum and another in 1909 of
Mercury.
Isotopes were not specially sought for by the clairvoyant
investigators but some were found and catalogued though no special
names were given to them except to use the term "meta" before the
name of an element or to speak of a Platinum B or Mercury B.
In April 1908 Mr. Leadbeater wrote to Dr. Besant, "It is quite
possible that Radium being a heavy element there may be two or three
forms of it differing only by a few Anu in each spike or funnel."
He also sensed the possibility, which has now become an accepted
fact, that the speed of a particle can change its mass. For in the
same letter he writes "As to the matter of atomic weight, it occurs
to me that that may not always depend entirely on the number of Anu.
May it not conceivably be affected by their arrangement and the
direction and rapidity of their motion"?
Search for an Isotope of Chlorine, p66
C. W. L.
Can we get hold of Chlorine? I have some impression that
there is a male Chlorine and a female Chlorine. This is how he
looks then. Has Chlorine 12 funnels at the top and 12 at the
bottom?
C. J.
You would expect the atoms to be of the same weight.
C. W. L.
I do not know why they need to be the same weight. We do
not know which of these things are on the whole positive and
negative. Negative I suppose on the whole?
C. J.
Roughly speaking all Chlorine is.
C. W. L.
It is a dumb-bell thing with a little funnel running up here.
A queer greenish looking thing. His funnels are exactly the same as
ours and both his globes. This is the same as ours. I will let him
go and we must catch some more. That is the same as ours. Here is
one which looks a little more dropsical. He is a good deal fatter
in the middle. His funnels are more stumpy. Look here, this is
different. You have got this drawn as a cone, but really it comes
down more like that and bends in more sharply. The thing is not an
absolute straight cone, not quite so big a difference as that. It
is according to what it allows for. Now the point of this fellow is
- now just wait one moment. It is here; In the ordinary variety
there are two two's, one above the other. In the Isotope the upper
two becomes a three.
C. J.
That gives one extra Anu in each funnel, 24 extra Anu in
all.
C. W. L.
And now wait a minute, you said he was fatter in the middle.
Now, wait a minute, he is a little elusive. I have not got him
quite in focus yet.
C.J.
I should think the central bar was the
same.
C. W. L.
No, it is fatter, and I am trying to see at the moment why it
careers about bewilderingly. I don't quite get it. Can you change
one of these things into another?
C. J.
They say they are the same in weight. Let us try these
globes at the top. Normally the globe contains four Anu in the
centre and six Anu round him.
C. W. L.
No, you are looking at it edgewise. I am turning him round
flat to you. Now the central part looks like a hexagon. If you
turn him round, don't you see that there are really six Anu arranged
not in a hexagon. I can't get him right.
C. J.
Six points of an octahedron?
C. W. L.
That is it. You are right. There are four of them on one
plane and when you look at it edgewise you see only three. There
are six Anu in the middle of this creature, in the middle of each
globe instead of four. Yes, that is it. There are six in the
middle of each of those and that somehow makes a fatter
cigar. I don't see that the cigar is different, but the cigar is
thicker and that is because of the action of the two globes. It
shortens him in proportion to his length. Let this fellow go and
let us get another.
C. W. L.
We have got six Anu instead of four in each globe. That
makes 28 extra. That is all I can raise. Let us catch another. We
had better catch about forty. Look for another fat one. They are
coming floating up from the sea. The thinner things are what we
dealt with before. I get only a few of those. That thing is not
pure in some way. Its numbers are the same, but it has that curious
effect. It has been acted upon by something, and it has not
shaken it off. We can clean one of those things. I can take him
and shake him free on the physical plane. You would call it green
scum. You can blow it off; wash it away, and then it appears to be
an ordinary globe. It has the effect of that, but what that was I
don't know. But it does not alter the thing fundamentally. He has
been in some condition or some combination and has only just escaped
from it and he has not shaken it off. Only a very few. Let us get
another fat one. Here is a fine pot-bellied creature like a
mandarin. He is rather sluggish. His funnels are of the larger
kind. The triangle is askew. It is a triangle in three dimensions.
There are only those three and they are arranged at the corners of
some. The three is all right and his globes are of the six variety.
Right at the centre of the bar there is a fellow five; the
reason why he is there is because the six of the globe is especially
attached and they try to get together and they crush the bar.
C. J.
Do you see if there is any pull between the five
of the centre bar and the top and bottom.
C. W. L.
It is always to the centre and the bar with the end globes
are attached. That is the thing that holds them spinning. The six
either pulls more strongly or offers more to pull. It is the same
number, but it is drawn. I believe you are right there because that
would account for the fattening of the bar that he is a more stumpy
bar.
C. J.
How are the six arranged, because we have not got
them in the others?
C. W. L.
Yes the corners of an octahedron.
C. J.
Those are the outer six?
C. W. L.
But the inner six also.
C. W. L.
The inner six is a sphere by itself. The whole thing is
not flat like this, it is an octahedron set askew to the other. It
is like so many guns arranged not to interfere with one another's
fire.
C. J.
That is Chlorine. We have found two varieties. We might
just as well have hit on one of those fat ones first. There is a
good deal of chance about this business.
C. J.
Do you think he would get into salt?
C. W. L.
You can try. Think of the holy water. Now hold steady because I am going
to fetch it. I am getting mainly out of that particular salt the 35 varieties.
He is not 35; he is 35.5.
C. J.
When you did the original investigations we got them out of
mineral water bottles.
C. W. L.
I think the salt we used this morning seems to be mainly of
the 35 variety. Sea salt does not appear to be this; it has traces
of all sorts of other things. That is refined salt. We will go to
mother ocean. The sea is rather mildly salt. Here is a molecule,
no, he is the 35 variety. Yes, we can find your 37 in the salt from
the sea, at least I have found one, let us hunt further. It means
bringing one down from the etheric to the physical. Yes, there are
both kinds anyway. I think there are some, but I think there are
very few. I did find some but only comparatively few. There are
some of the fatter kind also.
C. J.
Is he Chlorine B?
C. W. L.
Can these things be changed one from the other at all?
They are two different
weights.
They behave just the same chemically. Perhaps they were originally
all alike. I can imagine any number of transitional conditions, but
they would die out. They would not be permanent, there would be
some left.
Artificial and Natural Erbium, p70. Help from Nature Spirits
Mr. Leadbeater
could investigate at any time, provided his brain was not tired. Several
of the investigations in 1933 took place in the evening while he was lying
on a sofa and a masseur was working on his legs and feet. One particular
evening while the old masseur was pounding him, we were trying to locate
Erbium. Erbium is of the same family as Samarium and Iodine which had already
been described.
C. W. L. thought he would make an experiment as we had
no Erbium at the moment. He put together the parts that appeared in the
central rod of Samarium, this time three of them instead of two, to see
if they would cohere. They would not; but when the connecting rod of Silver,
of 19 Anu, was placed in the middle of the three, there was not only perfect
cohesion but also a very great vitality. Then the funnels of Samarium were
stuck on; everything held. This seemed to show that the experiment was
a success and that what was put together was really an atom of Erbium.
But obviously
this was not enough, and so the search continued. What was to be done next?
We knew that Iodine exists in the sea. Immediately it occurred to him to
look into the sea for Erbium. He got into touch with a sea nature spirit,
a Triton, who, he knew, lived in the sea near Adyar beach. He asked the
Triton if he knew anything of the kind in the sea, and showed him the alchemically
constructed Erbium. The creature answered, "Yes, we will bring it," and
quickly brought a handful of natural Erbium. The atoms of Erbium which
the Triton brought were like spiculae, or a handful of tiny pencils held
in the hand.
Another case when nature spirits were used by Mr. Leadbeater was
when he investigated Polonium in August 1933. Polonium exists in
pitchblende and pitchblende is found in some mines in Ceylon, in the
district of Sabaragamuwa. Mr. Leadbeater had been in that district
in the early years of his work in Ceylon; so that night, while
asleep, he went to Ceylon and located the mines. He arranged for
some nature spirits to act as scouts and look for the element. This
was a kind of game for the creatures. At last they found three
Polonium atoms.
An Artificial Element created from Gold and Sulphur, p72
Mr. Jinarajadasa
once took, as a tonic, a particular preparation made according to the Ayurvedic
or Indian system of medicine, a compound of Gold and Sulphur. After the
many processes of fractionation according to the Ayurvedic compounding,
the Gold ceases to be colloidal and exists in some other form. When this
compound entered the body, the life forces in the body were discovered
to have made a new combination. The funnels in Gold had disappeared, leaving
only the central "solar system" made from Occultum. The funnels of Sulphur
bad been separated, and two funnels floated above the top of the system
and two funnels at its base. This was a new artificial element, which circulated
in the blood stream. No investigation was made as to what happened afterwards
to the artificial combination.
Ozone, p96
C. J.
Now, what about Ozone? Are there two types, one male and a
half, and one female and a half?
C. W. L.
We must try to look at the production of Ozone and try to make
three Oxygen into two Ozone.
C. J.
Or pick up one and describe him.
C. W. L.
What we want to know is how he is produced.
C. J.
No, what we want to know is, are there two kinds?
C. W. L.
It looks as though there must be. Are the atomic weights of
the Oxygen snakes the same?
C. J.
Yes, we have taken them to be so.
C. W. L.
I think we may take it that there are two kinds of Ozone.
Yes, but what
I do not understand is that one kind appears to be lighter than the
other. It cannot be that it is lighter, but there must be some
repulsion.
C. J.
Otherwise they look the same, I suppose.
C. W. L.
You have them arranged in a triangular way. You see that
these two cross one another like that. They come nearer together
and the other takes up its place so that the three are equidistant.
C. J.
I suppose that the first two are inter twined.
C. W. L.
Yes, but you know how they are intertwined. One goes round
this way to your right. The other goes that way, do you see, and
here is another which goes the same way, but half way between the
two. But they all come together at the same nodes, they all come
together there. Your original two cross one another at a point and
this is the same.
C. J.
That is important
C. W. L.
But what is odd is that each unit which has two positives and
one negative, two males and one female, these promptly rise as
though they were lighter. But they are not lighter because the
number of Anu must be the same.
C. J.
Here is the scheme.
C. W. L.
Yes, there ought to be three equidistant as you look at them.
That is the impression which it gives me, but remember that exists
in many dimensions. What I want to know is whether what you call
Ozone down here on this level is one male and two female. There is
also other Ozone which is one female and two male, but that goes to
higher levels. I mean that physically it ascends.
C. J.
Is the upper region of the atmosphere made of that?
C. W. L.
It does not become lighter than Hydrogen, but it ascends. It
does not go very high. I am going to try the Blue Mountains. Have
they never discovered Ozone at higher levels?
C. J.
I do not know. I do not see why not.
C. W. L.
Is this Ozone supposed to be permanent?
C. J.
I should not gather so.
C. W. L.
It seems to me that it has a tendency to revert.
C. J.
The main thing I gather is that it is unnatural to hold
these extra male and female Oxygens together.
C. W. L.
Yes, but I do not yet see why the masculine Ozone ascends,
because the number of Anu is the same. It is probably a question of
polarity. The five interlaced tetrahedrons, Ne 120, p. 29 and p.
250 ...
From the days of the Pythagorean School, certain relations among the
Platonic solids have been known. Thus the primary solid is a
tetrahedron composed of four triangles, with one as the base, making
a three-sided pyramid. When two of these tetrahedrons interlace
symmetrically, two more Platonic solids can be constructed. First
by joining the eight points of the two tetrahedrons we have the
cube, then by joining the intersecting points of the two
tetrahedrons we have the points for the octahedron. As already
mentioned, the dodecahedron and the icosahedron can be derived from
five intersecting tetrahedrons. This complicated figure is that
which we identify as Ne 120, and it was known to the investigators
when they were doing their work in 1907. A striking fact to be
noted is that there are two forms of this group of five
interlaced tetrahedrons; dextro and laevo, one turning to the
right and the other to the left.
Sodium Hydroxide NaOH, p268
C. W. L.
Does this eat things, is it like an acid?
C. J.
Yes, it eats fats and such things; it is caustic and burns.
C. W. L.
Then I have to mix these two things together as it were?
C. J.
No. I had it as a solid, but now it has changed. It was
in pure white bars. I must get some more.
C. W. L.
Was it sealed up in any way?
C. J.
Only with a cork
C. W. L.
Moisture has got in, for there is a good deal of water here.
It is not water, it is OH. It has acquired fresh Hydrogen. You do
not suppose that it has resolved
itself into its elements? I expect that I can .do something. It
has eaten away the whole cork. Ah, this must be the caustic at
which I am looking by its intense activity.
C. J.
What is it like? I imagine that the Oxygen would not
change.
C. W. L.
It has arranged itself differently. Wait till I get it clear.
Sodium also is a thing which rather clings to its original shape.
It does not very easily change.
C. J.
It did with Chlorine in common salt, NaCl.
C. W. L.
It was the Sodium there which broke up.
C. J.
Both of them.
C. W. L.
I wish I could draw; I have not the right curves. How does it
curve? These are funnels whose ends come in much more than
normally. They would be flat normally, but they are not now. There
ought to be twelve of these we know.
C. J.
The Oxygen goes round the regular Oxygen curve.
C. W. L.
Yes, it is flattened down. The Oxygen is widened out and this
goes into the centre instead of leaving it hollow. Here we have
Hydrogen distributed rather oddly. You may say that that thing is
floating there, but the thing is that each of these seems to belong
to, to be connected with, four of those funnels. I do not know, but
I think its real direction may be more to this central ball. Its
lines of force are running among them like this.
C. J.
That is practically the same as in OH.
C. W. L.
Of course, but this is NaOH. How is this going to get
clear when they break up? Do they break up easily?
C. J.
It combines.
C. W. L.
Yes, I see that it does that. In that of course there is no
Oxygen. The difference is that the Oxygen winds round the Sodium,
and instead of the bar being ovoid, it becomes cigar-shaped owing to
the Oxygen around it.
C. J.
Has the Oxygen become fatter?
C. W. L.
Shorter and fatter. Fatter it must be, unless the
particles are much further apart. This is about the curve. They do
not come further than this proportion from the central thing. What
is this anyhow? NaOH. It is not a pleasant thing.
C. J.
No, they use it for washing pots and pans and making soaps.
C. W. L.
It is unpleasant and feels as though it would burn one.
C. J.
Yes, of course it would, it is caustic.
Hydrochloric Acid, HCI, p269
C. J.
This is Hydrochloric Acid. Can you feel
it is powerful?
C. W. L.
I feel power radiating from it.
C. W. L.
I have no Carbon in this, apparently only Hydrogen and
Chlorine. I have a dumb-bell here.
C. J.
You have two half Hydrogens floating top and bottom or
dancing round the middle bar?
C. W. L.
The curious thing is - of course it ought to be a gas
because Hydrogen and Chlorine are both gases, but the Hydrogen
appears to set up a tension underneath it. You see rather the two
central globes of the ends of the dumb-bell.
C. J.
How does it set up a tension - as in Hydroxyl?
C. W. L.
In Hydroxyl it floats very loosely. In this case, it does
not at all; somehow it is drawing up the central ball towards it.
You are getting the thing in a tense condition like a string. If I
take away the Hydrogen, the Chlorine jumps back into its ordinary
form. In Hydroxyl it kept up its line down the centre of the Oxygen
snake, but does not make any difference to the Oxygen snake. In
this case it does make a difference to the Chlorine atom. It is
like the centre of a sphere, the little globe with the funnels
running up from it, the globes are drawn up and down and yet at the
same time the whole dumb-bell is somehow compressed - now why? I
suppose when the Hydrogen is separated in two triangles a tension
is set up between the two. They are trying to get together
again. Now that compresses the central bar of the dumb-bell, but
instead of pressing in the two flower centres, as it were, the two
globes at the end of the bar and in the middle of the funnel, it
draws them up towards it. How does that work? Why should it at the
same time draw the balls towards it and compress the central ball of
the dumb-bell? It looks like an exactly opposite action.
C. J.
Evidently the two ends of the Chlorine dumb-bell must be of
a differing electrical quality, so that when the positive half of
Hydrogen goes to the top of the negative end they pull to each other
naturally.
C. W. L.
They pull each other, but then why do they exercise such an
attraction? I am beginning to see - these two central globes, they
also have a tension between them.
C. J.
You know that they really belong to the central rod of five
spheres.
C. W. L.
They have an attraction to it and while they are pulled away
by the Hydrogen they are yet trying to get back to one another. The
effect produced is as though those two central globes were connected
by a bar and so when you pull them up they must remain the same
distance apart, although they are pulled up beyond their funnels,
and consequently the central thing has to be shortened. The effect
is as though the funnels and the central bar were all round an axis
that ran between these two and you pressed the funnels a little
nearer to one another without interfering with the central globes.
C. J.
Do the funnels droop down?
C. W. L.
The funnels appear to remain just as they were, alternately
pointing up and down, but they are nearer to one another and the
central bar is shortened by this procedure. That thing is like a
spring coiled up. It wants to go back and there you may have an
explanation of its power to eat into things, that it is in this
condition of tension, and probably as it eats into things the spring
extends. That would account for its extraordinary power; at least it
might. When you see two or three of these things together I never
know which is the cause of the others or which is the effect of some
other cause which I do not see.
Carbon Dioxide, CO2, p271
C. J.
Can you get hold of Carbon Dioxide and see how Oxygen
behaves there? Do the Carbon funnels get broken up?
C. W. L.
Yes, but there is a centre piece of sorts in Carbon?
C. J.
Only four loose Anu.
C. W. L.
Is Oxygen ever broken up? I don't think we have ever met
with it yet? Carbon ought to have eight funnels, ought it not?
C. J.
Yes, it has eight funnels in pairs.
C. W. L.
Yes. I can't get the hang of this quite. I don't seem to be
able to get the Carbon right.
C. J.
He is broken up. I suppose. Does it put four funnels on
top and four below like a dumb-bell?
C. W. L.
No, he seems - I don't get it clear. You say I am not likely
to see CO, what about CO3?
C. J.
CO3 is the thing which makes Carbonates.
C. W. L.
But is not seen alone?
C. J.
I think not. It is perhaps.
C. W. L.
No, I am at present acquiring a thing in which the two
Oxygens stand side by side, and they seem to distribute the Carbon
at each end of themselves.
C. J.
Two funnels over each end
C. W. L.
Or are they balls now and not funnels? The thing rotates.
What part of it then does the plant use?
C. J.
Carbon. I should think.
C. W. L.
I must try to follow him into that.
C. J.
The plants take the Carbon and give out the Oxygen. They
are useful because they release Oxygen.
C. W. L.
Yes, it would be easy enough to take the Carbon away. I
don't see exactly
why the two Oxygen snakes remain together. Why they break away when
you remove the Carbon funnels.
C. J.
Do they keep together?
C. W. L.
It must be the coherence of the Carbon in some way.
C. J.
What has happened to those four loose Anu at the grand
centre?
C. W. L.
I must go through the reconstruction of the thing and see where
they go. Possibly they are the link.
C. J.
I was going to suggest that they perhaps keep the two
Oxygens in place.
C. W. L.
Yes, only the Carbon is no longer projecting all round as
it did before but is gathered at the ends.
C. J.
At each end of these Oxygens? That means two funnels to
each end. Two funnels at each end of each of the Oxygens. Are they
funnels and not spheres?
C. W. L.
They are truncated beasties; they are flattened, but not
exactly spheres. More pear-shaped.
C. J.
And two side by side?
C. W. L.
Yes.
C. J.
Those two have not got their joining Anu there, but the
joining Anu has gone to the centre, the bar of the "H"7
C. W. L.
Yes, but it is a different arrangement from those we have
had before.
C. J.
How are those four Anu placed in the centre - flatwise?
C. W. L.
It is very difficult to get directions - they are whirling
about and there is no top or bottom. You would have to represent
them - no.
C. J.
Are they at the ends of a tetrahedron?
C. W. L.
No. I seem to have one in the middle and three arranged
askew round it.
C. J.
They are all positives, those four?
C. W. L.
Yes. That is Carbon Dioxide. It is in a kind of shell
spinning round vigorously.
C. W. L.
The Oxygen has broken up the Carbon thing badly.
C. J.
Rearranged it?
C. W. L.
It is very broken up. It sends two funnels to the bottom
and two to the top. The whole thing is a kind of fire work effect.
It is less like a molecule than any of the others. All the others
have had a certain regularity in form. It has one side up. It
looks like an "H" from a certain point of view. All the other
things have been capable of being turned about. As you turn him
endwise, he is more like a line. This Carbon Dioxide must belong to
a lower order of things. It is stable, is it not?
C. J.
Yes. I think so. Now here is Carbon Dioxide, four Amu in
the middle. Now what I want to know is do the funnels stick out or
are they side ways or revolving in a plane?
C. W. L.
I think sloping upwards; remember the whole of this thing
revolves, the whole lot of it goes round like that. What is this
Carbon Dioxide? Now let us see. First you want Carbon Dioxide. Now
see here I will catch one. We are breathing them out ourselves all
the time. I don't understand exactly how these things act. They
rise very equally. Here is one anyhow. You see he has that double
arrangement on each side of the centre.
C. J.
Four Anu in the middle.
C. W. L.
Yes, the Anu in the middle are like tiny points of light. The
whole thing is swirling round. Up at the top there are two funnels.
They seem to me to stand up like a creatures' ears and then they are
twirling round all the time. They stick up looking to me like a
pair of rabbits' ears, but the whole thing is spinning round.
C. J.
Get one of these COs and remove one Oxygen and then see
what happens to the other funnels.
C. W. L.
But, see here, you can't remove the funnels. The funnels stay
behind. You can pull out the Oxygen, but the funnels stay behind
and they go and join the rest of the outfit. They go and join the
rest and the whole seems to me to break up. I can't hold it
together. If I withdraw one Oxygen the other Oxygen slips away.
Wait a minute, perhaps I can hold it when I take one away. The
whole tendency is for the whole thing to go off like an explosion.
The Carbon funnels reunite themselves and the tendency is for the
other Oxygen to fly off. Suppose I hold him and put him together
with the Carbon. I think I can artificially make him into your
Monoxide. But he is very volatile, not a secure creature; he does
not very readily take up that combination.
Carbon Monoxide, p271
C. W. L.
You say I can get Carbon Monoxide. Where will I find him?
C. J.
I can't produce him, I am afraid. Monoxide is a rare thing
unless you knock out one of those Oxygens and see what happens.
C. W. L.
The Carbon would go back more. You would then have the Carbon
in two groups, top and bottom of the Oxygen. Yes, in that case with
four funnels at each end.
C. J.
Yes, and then I have four Anu.
C. W. L.
They had four of those Anu together, because there is no
other place for them. I do not know what else they would do. Can
these lose Anu? It is rather a fresh order as far as arrangements
go.
C. J.
How are the four funnels? Merely flat-wise with four of
these loose Anu in the middle, making a centre?
C. W. L.
Yes, I was trying to see why they did not fit. It is an
unsatisfactory looking thing. It is different from all of the rest.
C. J.
I want to know where these four Anu are.
C. W. L.
The four Anu appear to be balanced round the centre of the
Oxygen.
C. J.
Down inside?
C. W. L.
No, outside and equidistant round it like a cross in the
middle of the thing, outside but equidistant from the two ends. But
this is a thing I have made myself and I am not prepared to say it
would come out like that in nature. I have taken one; this thing is
all the time trying to escape apparently to get another Oxygen. My
CO is an artificial beast entirely and may not represent the genuine
thing. I have let him run his own way. That is the scheme of it.
Can I make CO3? I can't make the thing stick together.
Is CO3 a thing you can get by itself, because I can't
make my fellows stick together. When I add this third one he simply
won't add at first, but if I hold him steadily together a bit, then
the four will more or less adjust themselves to go round between in
the middle of three instead of two making three legs to a stool, in
three parallel lines. The four Anu will go into the middle of that
lot, but I cannot distribute the funnels at all. They stick where
they are. I have got this Oxygen stuck on, and this Oxygen is free.
It has nothing to balance it at either end. Secondly, it is all the
time spinning the arrangement round, and if I take my will off it,
it will not hold together.
Calcium Carbonate, CaCO3, p274-6
C. W. L.
This is one of those CO3 things. How is the Calcium
distributed? Had we any drawing of that?
C. J.
Yes, we were looking at Sodium Carbonate. (p. 272). Here
is an Oxygen and the Sodium went right through. And then here was a
third Oxygen, which seemed to break up the Carbon.
C. W. L.
The two of these things each have one Sodium, and the third
Oxygen got the Carbon funnels, but the four Anu of the Carbon
centre became a grand centre in the middle round which these other
things revolve. This is the same thing; but substitute Calcium for
Sodium; you have only one Calcium and you have two Sodium.
C. J.
Calcium consists of four funnels and a grand centre.
C. W. L.
A much bigger centre. This is quite a different thing, a
central globe of eighty Anu; this is a much bigger business.
Can you double this and have two Calciums? I don't quite see how
you could have two of Calcium. If so, the arrangement would have to
differ. I can see the one, but I cannot quite see how you could
have two.
C. J.
Then don't bother. There is no need, because Calcium
has a particular valence.
C. W. L.
Yes, but your three Oxygens, one of your three Oxygens has
Carbon just as it had before. But your two other Oxygen pillars
divide the Calcium between them.
C. J.
Well, Calcium is composed of four funnels and bow do they
divide?
C. W. L.
I have four funnels, one at each end of the two pillars of
Oxygen, but the thing in the centre is a queer complex looking
beastie. Those four Anu revolve round their common centre.
C. J.
Which four? In Calcium?
C. W. L.
No, when we broke up something else.
C. J.
Yes, four Carbon Anu, the nucleus of the Carbon.
C. W. L.
But here I have the nucleus of the Carbon forming
apparently satellites to the centre of the Calcium which is a much
bigger globe.
C. J.
Is the central globe from Calcium?
C. W. L.
The central globe of Calcium takes the central position in
this scheme and has apparently four Anu revolving round it like
moons, like satellites. The Calcium centre globe does not break up.
But because of this central thing it seems to me that there is a
slight curvature of the Oxygen pillars. It looks to me the central
thing is so big comparatively that the others seem to curve a little
; it is very slight. It ii spinning all the time, and the way the
thing seems to me to show itself is in a certain waving of the two
ends, instead of going round absolutely on its axis like that, it
seems to me as though it were going a little like that at the two
ends. All these things appear to either generate or to be
accompanied by mild electrical discharges or phenomena, This thing
is either generating electricity in its spinning or it is being spun
by electricity.
C. J.
They postulate electrical phenomena; there is a sort of
exchange of electrical qualities.
C. W. L.
I am not at all sure that electricity is not keeping the
whole thing going. Either it is that or in its action it is
generating electricity; which is likely, either, neither or both. I
suppose you can't tell?
C. J.
I could not answer, but I could well imagine that wherever
there is a combination you might have a new type of force, flowing
from the superphysical.
C. W. L.
Because that would be the work of the Second Outpouring,
the work of the Second Aspect of the Logos. The only thing is I
wish I knew which is the cause and which is the effect. As far as I
can see it is equally possible that electricity may be producing or
driving these things. Producing the phenomena or that the phenomena
may be producing the electricity, because though the things, the
spinning posts of Oxygen and this little central ball, do not touch
one another, remember their auras, so to speak, their fields of
activity do, and that there is friction between all that. The
friction may be producing the electricity or on the other hand the
electricity may be causing the rotary motion. So far as I can see,
you may have it either way. How am I to find out? Don't you .think
this is some higher grade or more primitive type of electricity with
which we are dealing. This is another atomic thing, molecular
electricity. Would not that be something finer, (if one can think
of electricity being finer) than what is produced by machinery. Is
electricity known to exist in different layers, I have not heard of
it? You see the electricity with which we generally deal is
emphatically physical electricity. But there is that which
corresponds to it on the astral plane which we have always
called astral electricity, but that may not be the right name for
it.
C. J.
There must be on the astral plane the energy of the Third
Logos, and electricity is one form of it on the physical.
C. W. L.
Yes, it is supposed to correspond to Fohat.
C. J.
It is the astral Fohat.
C. W. L.
This is not exactly that. I think I can get at that. The
electricity which you produce by friction, the thing you produce
that way has a connection through the lowest ether. It will attract
purely physical objects, bits of paper, anything. Now, I think that
we can manufacture and utilize a kind of electricity, if the name is
applicable to it, it looks like it in every way. Yes, do you
remember when she (Dr. Besant) breaks up the elements, she
has four stages, corresponding to the four etheric levels. I am not
quite sure, but I think that all the electricity that we normally
use works on that fourth level. But that if you break up your
chemical atoms, that is the chemical atoms of the thing, the
electricity which is generated by them is on that next third level,
and therefore I do not think it would be perceptible to your
instruments down here. But if it were, you would consider it a very
weak and infinitesimal charge down here, but it is not in the least
infinitesimal on its own plane. It seems to produce or be produced
by very rapid motions indeed. So it is a very strong thing on its
own level, although it amounts to a very weak imperceptible trickle
down here. Do they know anything about any finer kind of
electricity?
C. J.
I have not heard of it.
C. W. L.
It is just possible that the usual kind, I take it as
certain that it exists, is on the fourth ether and a different kind
on the third ether. I take it as practically certain to be finer
kinds on the second and the first. Would any of those produce a
perceptible effect on the physical plane?.
C. J.
The effects produced would be very slight.
C. W. L.
They would be enough to affect things in a vacuum tube.
Sulphuric Acid H2SO4, p281
C. W. L.
It is a tremendously powerful thing evidently. This is one
of the things which eats other things away. How does it act? The
Oxygen must get out and combine.
C. J.
Then the Oxygen is fairly free to go off?
C. W. L.
I am not quite sure about that. It is a different
arrangement somehow. Let me look. Yes, this is odd. How do you
make this thing anyhow? How do you imprison this Oxygen is this
peculiar way?
C. J.
This is a tetrahedron evidently. The Hydrogen is evidently
at the corners of the tetrahedron floating about.
C. W. L.
They have got that the wrong way round. They have got
Sulphur in the middle. It does not seem to go that way. The four
Oxygen lie flat and make a star in the middle radiating out from one
another. We generally think of them as constantly upright. If you
stand them upright you have a cross. Outside of each of those is
the Sulphur funnel, but instead of having three slices in it, it
seems to have nine. That is to say your three are broken up in each
funnel. There is one funnel to each Oxygen. Here, let me draw the
thing. The Oxygen is a snake, but the snake is in a kind of
arrangement like that. The nine things are arranged in a circle
round this point, only they do not lie flat, but in a
circle. Then over here floats half a Hydrogen. But the Oxygen is
in the middle and here in the middle there is nothing visible, but
the force wells up there.
C. J.
Is it a force which comes up from the underworld? It would
be a negative
force as there is no centre in the middle.
C. W. L.
There is no visible centre, but there is a very tremendous
force.
C. J.
The whole thing is negative, the whole compound is acid.
C. W. L.
It does not act negatively. Its action is very vigorous.
C. J.
It is force, then, which is coming from the super-physical.
We have called the force which comes from the super physical down on
to the physical the positive and the other the reverse, the
negative.
C. W. L.
The whole thing seems to me a very powerful and active
thing. I don't know how much is involved by the use of the term
negative, but if you mean thereby a sort of passive thing lying
there and doing nothing, I don't think it is. It is a very powerful
thing, but nevertheless it may be negative from your point of view.
C. J.
What I mean is, that sort of formation would jump at a
union with a positive thing. Does this ...
C. W. L.
That is what I am going to see.
C. J.
The suggestion is that four Oxygens with the four funnels
of Sulphur together make a negative group. That is why Hydrogen
comes along and, being positive, combines and similarly Calcium will
combine and Sodium. The attraction is between positive elements and
this thing which is a negative form. I don't know whether it will
work.
C. W. L.
This thing breaks up most other things. Of course it can
do that by attraction as well as by repulsion. It does not follow
that it breaks up by the force it throws out, it may do it by
sucking in.
Ferric Chloride, FeCl3, p286
C. J.
Here is Ferric Chloride, with Iron and three Chlorine
atoms. I gather the Iron would remain just the same?
C. W. L.
It is a very queer thing with Iron, it is so spiky.
C. J.
I have never yet solved why 14 bars, because it seems such
an odd thing. It looks, what shall one say, not proportioned.
C. W. L.
Iron does not seem to have any centre of its own. The
fourteen pairs are not radiating from a centre. It is as though
seven pencils had been put through ...
C. J.
That is not the way we have got it. We had six balanced,
and then one grand top and one grand bottom.
C. W. L.
You mean, one with six round it, and one at the top, but
sufficiently opposite one another?
C. J.
They are not symmetrical ...
C. W. L.
Not equidistant?
C. J.
No, because the top and bottom cannot be equidistant,
because you cannot get fourteen equidistant in a sphere.
C. W. L.
There is another four just like this on the other side
which does not show. I am getting the idea of that.
C. J.
Unfortunately we have three Chlorines to go into the thing
which is a very heavy business.
C. W. L.
That will make a total of about nineteen hundred Anu. It is
a little complicated, but I think we can sort it out. Only it will
not go into the ordinary perspective. You see I have a mass of
funnels here which radiate round my bars, only I can't exactly
arrange them in relation to each other. I have an arrangement which
I have not seen before. You see in the case of the dumb-bells in
each of my Chlorines I have central forms for the flower at the end.
You have six flowers. I have six centres of flowers. The funnels
make the petals. The funnels are scattered off differently. I have
got these six centres and I have also three bars, but they are shut
in from themselves into something like eggs, as it were, rather than
bars. I get a curious central grouping which appears to get inside
the Iron - a grouping of a number of those spheres. The centres of
the flowers appear to have got inside the Iron. But then
outside apart from that here are
all these radiating funnels. It is as though the centre thing was
separate, and these others were equidistant. They do not seem to
have any connection with individual bars, but the bar business is
spinning round on its own account in the middle, and the other
funnels are radiating roughly about equidistant. The groups are not
connected with the bars.
C. J.
How many groups are there?
C. W. L.
Now wait a moment; they are not particularly grouped. They
are about equidistant. They are sticking out, like an echinus, like
spikes all round. The thing that bothers me is that though they
appear to project, the distances between them are practically equal
all round
Phosphoric Acid, H3PO4, p294
C. W. L.
I will tell you what I get here, but I don't see why I get
it. I don't understand why it is sometimes one and sometimes the
other. I have two combinations which make
H3PO4. From one point of view he looks like a
cross; from another point of view he is radiating towards the centre
of a tetrahedron. If I flatten him out so as to draw him he becomes
a cross, but if I don't he is hopeless to draw, because some of the
things are sticking from you, and some toward you. But it is as
though from the centre they were pointing towards the sides of a
tetrahedron. That is your O4 which appears to be a body
itself as it were.
Now, in some cases that breaks up the Phosphorus and it would appear
that in some cases it doesn't. I have an arrangement in which the six
funnels of Phosphorus disappear and their twelve constituent cigars
or whatever you call them, wine-cup arrangements, themselves
corresponding to the ends of the four Oxygens. That is to say three
to each, and then your Hydrogens float properly divided above those.
But I have another arrangement in which the Phosphorus does not
break up like that but retains its six funnels and they point not to
any particular Oxygen snake, but to the centre of the whole, and
meantime, the Oxygen inside the group of four Oxygens are revolving
much more rapidly than they are.
C. J.
The six funnels pointing practically like a cube?
C. W. L.
The four all acting like a centre, all spinning round
violently - the others moving but not spinning with them. In the
other case the Oxygen had broken up the thing. In one case as the
Oxygen went round, the four little wine glasses went with it. But
now the Oxygen is spinning very rapidly on itself and these other
things moving more slowly, pointing to the centre of the Oxygen.
The Oxygen set of four is revolving by itself in the middle. These
others are pointing at the centre round which it is revolving, but
not apparently attached to the Oxygen spinners.
You have got two Hydrogens in some cases, you know. In that second
case when the Oxygen is spinning so much more rapidly, the Hydrogen
is removed to another subplane, broken up further. Your threes are
then broken up.
C. J.
Which threes?
C. W. L.
Our Hydrogen splits into three triangles. But your
triangles in that case break up so that you get each triangle made
of three balls. Well, two of those balls float above each of the
Phosphorus funnels, but that has taken it up another subplane of the
physical.
C. J.
Two of them, what about the third ball?
C. W. L.
That is planted over another ball, over an intermediate
funnel, and there are six funnels in this scheme, and over each of
those float two Hydrogens.
It is all on another subplane, because the triangle which is on
a subplane above has now been broken, so it has gone one stage
further back. You have
two Hydrogen atoms here. That gives you four triangles, but instead
of four triangles you have six groups of two. Why should there
be those two things which have the same constituents, but
differently arranged chemically? Those things will analyze exactly
the same practically, though of course they are different. Why
different and what is the result of the difference, I don't know.
C. J.
You said there were six groups, taking Hydrogen at a higher
stage.
C. W. L.
Look here. Hydrogen contains 18 Anu, and they are
arranged, I think, in six groups of three. And two of these float
over each funnel, only sometimes they are these two and sometimes
one of those and one of these. But why? We can only note the facts
and sort them out.
Ammonia. NH3, p297
C. J.
I cannot image the Nitrogen ever being broken up.
C. W. L.
The three Hydrogens will float round him. The Nitrogen is a
very inert beastie.
C. J.
How does the Nitrogen arrange itself?
C. W. L.
The Hydrogens distribute themselves quite evenly round.
You can have three double triangles.
C. J.
It is quite easy, a three-decker affair.
C. W. L.
There is the egg and in the middle there would be the
balloon. You would get three negatives. I am getting almost a
dumb-bell effect, because here are three negatives on a plane
circling round that, and three positives on a plane circling round
this. They are on a plane. I put this at the end, but really those
are going round this that way. Supposing this to be your egg, there
is one lot going round here which are negatives and there are
another lot going round here which are positives, outside this thing
which is apparently unchanging except I see an unfamiliar layer
inside the Nitrogen.
These things act from outside rather magnetically, affecting the
movements inside the Nitrogen, directing them, getting them, as it
were, out of place. The whole thing is rolling round. They have
lengthened the balloon somewhat. If we could suppose that the three
things circling round here have set up some sort of funnel or strain,
here and these others have set up a strain, then that thing between
the two is somewhat lengthened, is drawn in some direction towards
the strain.
C. J.
Look at these two things revolving. There is one revolving
clock-wise and the other opposite-wise?
C. W. L.
I don't think they do. If they did, they would twist the
Nitrogen atom and set up a strain in him? Which is the negative
half?
C. J.
Presumably that top fellow is the positive and the bottom
is the negative.
C. W. L.
The Hydrogen on the whole is positive. My impression is
that these Anu arranged in a triangle are positive and the things
arranged in a line are negative. Wherever there are two of them -
there is a mistake there and I will show you the mistake in that
drawing. I would have expected that there ought to be two lines in
one. In one triangle, that is all right in one triangle, the things
are all pointing to a centre. That is negative and that is
positive.
C. J.
There are two negatives and one positive.
C. W. L.
Then you would say that the triangle arrangement does not
matter. It is a question of whether the Anu are pointing inwards or
outwards. Then the one that has two negatives is the negative
triangle obviously.
C. J.
In this thing this lower triangle is the positive and the
upper triangle is the negative.
C. W. L.
Then it will be the positive which is directed towards the
negative and the .negative which is directed towards the positive.
Ammonium Hydroxide. NH4OH, p298
C. J.
We have had one where there are three Hydrogens. This is
NH4 and an additional OH.
C. W. L.
Do you know why they put that OH separate?
C. J.
Because, through processes, you can remove it.
C. W. L.
That is that Hydroxyl stuck on again, so the only thing is
that here are four Hydrogens instead of three. This is not very
different. You seem to have a sort of cross.
C. J.
What of the Hydroxyl?
C. W. L.
No, I have not got the Hydroxyl at all yet. I am trying to
sort out the other part. It seems to me that you get more of these
things going round. Your Oxygen and your Nitrogen waltz round one
another and the other fellows make rings round them. You have got
your five Hydrogen all right. One of them seems to be occupied in
the Oxygen and Hydrogen group I think. There are four in this dance
apparently and when the thing holds together they dance round the
two and if you pull that away they adhere to the Nitrogen and the
other fellow is linked to the Oxygen. But even he would break up if
you pulled them apart. First of all those three bodies come off
with this. The three at the top and the three at the bottom, but
they are very liable to break away altogether. When you pull him
apart I rather think he returns to Oxygen and Hydrogen and Nitrogen.
C. J.
Those other two, things which go round are in two circles.
Are there four negatives on top? If you look at one of the
Hydrogens you will find three balls in a straight line.
C. W. L.
Yes, that is all right. You mean the straight line keeping
to one end of it and the triangles to the other? Now we have four
triangles.
C. J.
Are all of them negative?
C. W. L.
I don't think they are. I think there are three negatives
and one positive. I think I can shift them about. I can change
them round and it does not appear to make any particular difference.
I can take out that positive and change him for a negative and the
thing spins just about the same, except that it does not get that
wave round the surface. Does that matter?
C. J.
No, but if you look at this thing where there are three,
there in the top three they are all negative. I took for granted
they were. How are they distributed in the rings?
C. W. L.
There are three above one another, one being two straight
lines of three. The top one being two straight lines of three.
C. J.
Two triangles of three?
C. W. L.
Yes, but sometimes they are triangles and sometimes they
are straight lines. That is what you call negative and positive.
There are two positive in one ring, and two negative in another, and
a negative and a positive in the middle. But in this other scheme
you have four of those bodies in each ring and only two rings, But
as I found it that time, I had three straight lines and one triangle
at one end of it and three triangles and one straight line at the
other. But I changed the places forcibly so that I had four
triangles at one end and four triangles at the end. It does not
make any difference except in the interior. The thing follows
round, the rotation. We will call them positive and negative. The
triangle as he goes round affects the surface of the thing round
which he is rotating, and makes a tide in it. The straight line
does not, so you have tides running round the surface of your
Nitrogen. You have a tide following him round as the thing revolves
and if you don't get that tide, then because of that he swells a
little more at one end. Does that make any difference? I don't
myself see that it makes any difference,
but there is that fact, if that is of any use. It might be worth
while making a note that there is a kind of tide on the surface of
the interior atom which is made by the attraction of that Hydrogen.
The straight line does not make the attraction.
Urea (NH2)2CO, p301
C. J.
This is a very interesting investigation. You have got
Carbon Monoxide, that is this thing - the Oxygen and the four Anu
circulating round the middle. Now also we have the Nitrogen balloon
with two Hydrogens, NH2.
C. W. L.
I don't remember NH2.
C. J.
What is the general description of the figure of Urea?
C. W. L.
Well, Carbon and Oxygen in the centre, and these other things,
the two Nitrogens each with a Hydrogen.
C. J.
On either side like supports?
C. W. L.
Yes, with the Hydrogen floating about them. The central
thing can draw away the Hydrogen under certain conditions, I think.
C. J.
You remember in the Water molecule the way the Hydrogen is
distributed. Is that the same distribution here or is it more like
in Ammonia? What is the position of the Hydrogen?
C. W. L.
We start with them attached to the Nitrogen in the regular
way as in Ammonia. They always attach to Nitrogen two rings, you
can't reproduce that scientifically. If you throw your force into
the Oxygen it will draw the force away from the Hydrogen and keep
the Hydrogen floating over its ends above the Carbon. You run the
risk of losing your Nitrogen. Would anything corresponding to that
be the difference between the two kinds, artificial and natural
Urea, at which you are aiming? Is that which they make chemically
as stable as this produced naturally?
C. J.
Yes. I think so. It is the same thing as far as they know.
In any living thing or a thing taken from living tissue I think
there would be that difference, that the factor of life would come
in, and would draw the Hydrogen more to the Oxygen.
C. W. L.
If that life, whatever life is, vivified the Oxygen, won't you
have, in anything taken from living tissue, that factor of
intensification by the vitality globules?
Nitric Acid, HNO3, p302
C. W. L.
There is only one Hydrogen here. We had this before.
C. J.
No, it was Hydrochloric Acid
C. W. L.
But there is no Chlorine in this.
C. J.
NO3 ought to be a group by itself.
C. W. L.
This appears to be a liquid.
C. J.
Yes, but it is only held in water.
C. W. L.
If that is the case, then this is likely to explode.
C. J.
No, it is diluted.
C. W. L.
There is Hydrogen in that.
C. J.
Yes, Nitric Acid is HNO3.
C. W. L.
It is the Nitrogen which seems to suffer and not the Oxygen
particularly. There are three Oxygens. They seem to be very little
affected, but the Nitrogen practically disappears.
C. J.
How are the three Oxygens arranged? In the form of a
triangle?
C. W. L.
They stand round the remains of the Nitrogen, but the
Nitrogen is broken up rather badly. These balloon arrangements we
have destroyed practically. It is a little difficult to follow the
condition of it. How are we to arrive at it? See here (diagram).
I cannot make it quite clear; it is so askew. The spirals are the
Oxygen's; they stand around it. But there are four more things
which stand round it as sentinels, and they have no particular
connection with anything else. It is a regular maze; that is why I
have marked the Hydrogen plus and minus.
C. J.
That is quite clear now.
Sodium Nitrate. NaNO3, p304
C. J.
The NO3 will be the same as in Nitric Acid. The Sodium is
broken up hopelessly.
C. W. L.
Yes, but there is much more.
C. J.
Yes, because we have a larger number of funnels.
C. W. L.
It has the same middle.
C. J.
Do not bother about the centre; make it the same.
C. W. L.
I am not sure that it is the same. You mean of course the
balloon
C. J.
Yes, the balloon is the same and the three Oxygens are the
same.
C. W. L.
Yes but the rest is different.
C. J.
Well, do the rest of it. The funnels go half way into
these balls. I think.
C. W. L.
I do not think they do quite. Let us see how it worked
when we were doing salt.
C. J.
Here it is. It went into groups of two.
C. W. L.
All the funnels broke up. The shape disappeared entirely.
The Sodium went by twos. They became twelve groups of two funnels,
They are here arranged differently.
C. J.
You have two balls?
C. W. L.
I have a brush; I have three balls.
C. J.
Yes, but you have a central brush.
C. W. L.
I see what you mean, he is a little larger than the others,
but very little, and the funnels are arranged like the rows of a
brush instead of being in a group as they were before. They are
coming down between the Oxygens.
C. J.
Do they come down in three decks?
C. W. L.
I have eight in a line coming out from the centre. The
funnels are coming out from the centre, sticking out. There are
eight of them coming out here and there and there. They all go to
the centre.
C. J.
Now two of these balls are composed of ten Anu, and some
are larger.
C. W. L.
Yes, and they are running loose in space inside where the
funnels start.
C. J.
They are on two planes, I suppose? Is there any
connection?
C. W. L.
Yes, but I do not know how to draw it. We had better make
it like this. In addition to NO3 you get an ovoid which
is your Na14, and of the other two you get one going round there and
one here, but they are going round and do not intermingle. Going
round the middle is the ovoid thing with an orbit of its own. The
point is that these brushes stick out, four on each side belonging
to that set, and four belonging to that one, like this. There is
more of a space here, do you see?
C. J.
But are all the revolutions in one direction?
C. W. L.
Yes, they should go all in one direction. I do not think
that the motions are retrograde. Originally there were twelve at
each end, now the twelve belonging to this fellow make the twelve
belonging to the other four of them between the Oxygens, four
there, and four there, do you see? Four from this and four from
that make the eight running like the rows of a brush. As you see
they are like this. Four and an Oxygen and then another four. They
seem to be fairly in the same plane. They may vary a little. Then
there is the Oxygen between each of them, and this thing is sailing
in the middle inside. I think I understand it now.
Potassium Nitrate, KNO3, p306
C. J.
Now look. The difference is that here is Potassium.
NO3 as a group stands together. And here we have
Potassium as well as Nitrogen. In Potassium we get two of these
centres.
C. W. L.
We get nine spikes of sixty-three Anu, and a central group
of one hundred and thirty-four Anu, N110+4Li6. The Nitrogen balloon
in Potassium is unbroken.
C. J.
Yes.
C. W. L.
But what bursts him up? I suppose the Oxygen. Oxygen
seems to upset everything else in nature, it is so active. It is
rather curious. I see a vast number of little things, but the
difficulty is to know where they come from.
C. J.
They must come from the Potassium.
C. W. L.
We must separate it and put it together again. If you could
put a tetrahedron
over the head of that thing it would represent the way that they are
arranged. But the first difficulty is that the two tetrahedrons are
not arranged one on top of the other. They lie between each other
like that. They do not point towards one another. They are a
little askew, so that they would come in between each other. That
is how they stand there, around the central oval. I do not know how
you would represent it. It is this business of perspective which
makes it so difficult. My specks come in between these, and yet
they are not symmetrical. I cannot make them symmetrical.
C. J.
These points, remember, are the points of a cube, for two
tetrahedrons interlaced make a cube.
C. W. L.
Yes. I see that. But they do not fit like that. They must
fit in this way. What comes off them first, when you break these
up? The Sodium? This is Sodium. I have the wrong thing. Here is
Potassium. You see, it is very oddly arranged. The best way I can
do it is this. Yes, the whole thing does not seem to be duplicated,
but this piece is.
C. J.
How duplicated?
C. W. L.
I mean that I have two of these things revolving round a
common centre, but I do not seem to get this double.
C. J.
No, because that belongs to something quite different,
something which we have not in Potassium. In Potassium you have
only this.
C. W. L.
Well then, I have that. I have two of those going round a
common centre. Well, these others are Hydrogen. But these other
things stand still (there are seven of them, seven N9). It seems to
remain as it was, except that there are two specks between the
Oxygen, and instead of being as they were before, coming from one
common centre, they are one above the other.
C. J.
Are they three-deckers? There are three Oxygens.
C. W. L.
Yes, they point like that. (Diagram) You have three bars.
One points straight out, one up, and the other down, while the two
centres rotate round each other. You get this set arranged round
those two in the centre. They are not exactly even. These two are
on their own account. They are not equidistant; they are nearer to
these. Then you have the four sentinels, and the three Oxygen
snakes. In between come those spikes apparently unchanged.
C. J.
But here are another six Spikes.
C. W. L.
But are not these they?
C. J.
No.
C. W. L.
I take it that these are they.
C. J.
Here is something else which takes the place of the
Hydrogen.
C. W. L.
I want the perspective of the spikes. Now I shall draw the
things which take the place of the Hydrogen. These are part of the
Potassium.
Potassium Cyanide. KCN, p310
C. J.
Here are Potassium. Carbon and Nitrogen together.
Potassium has nine spikes, but with a central body. They are like
three incompatibles.
C. W. L.
Yes, the spikes are a bit awkward.
C. J.
We have not had Nitrogen and Carbon before in any
combination. We have had plenty of Oxygen-Carbon and
Oxygen-Nitrogen.
C. W. L.
But this Potassium apparently has the Nitrogen balloon as
its centre so that we shall have two of those things.
C. J.
We have six funnels and nine cigars.
C. W. L.
Yes, but then besides that there is the odd Nitrogen. All
those would surely come in the grand centre. This is in many ways
very complicated. These bar ends don't seem to fit in with the
things outside.
C. J.
In the Potassium Nitrate we had three Oxygens as three
posts and the three Potassium bars radiated out and the Nitrogen
was in the centre.
C. W. L.
But there is a Nitrogen centre to Potassium anyhow.
C. J.
Yes, those two were together, side by side.
C. W. L.
Only the Potassium centre is more than the Nitrogen
balloon.
C. J.
Oh yes, more than that.
C. W. L.
There are six other things buzzing around it. The
Potassium in this when you separate it has not only a Nitrogen
balloon, but also six other things standing round the Nitrogen
balloon. I have got Potassium, nine spikes of 63 Anu.
I can get the Potassium pure, that will make it easier in a way.
KCN. That is Nitrogen you have there. There seem to be too many of
these things. Wait a bit, I am beginning to see a little. It is a
shapeless clumsy kind of thing. It looks as though they did not
combine properly, rather as though they mixed the - what was that
other we had, Potassium Nitrate.
C. J.
The other was Potassium Nitrate.
C. W. L.
But how did the Oxygens combine with the Potassium?
C. J.
No, they were outside the centre.
C. W. L.
How did the Nitrogen combine with the Potassium?
C. J.
Those six dance round the balloon.
C. W. L.
But then there are two balloons. This thing seems all
askew. I can't get him right. Aren't the two balloons side by
side, with the six groups from Potassium dancing round them? There
are more things that I can't locate exactly.
C. J.
There are seven threes, seven little sixes in twos.
C. W. L.
You are thinking of the other things which made part of the
Nitrogen beside the balloon.
C. J.
There are seven threes.
C. W. L.
These four stand as sentinels outside. Outside the whole
thing?
C. J.
Yes, outside the grand thing; they stood as kind of
sentinels.
C. W. L.
But beside those seven I have got an other lot of six
little blobs.
C. J.
Those are those blobs; there is the balloon of Potassium.
C. W. L.
These things, you mean. You see this business in the
middle is a regular complication.
I have too many of these central pieces and I do not know where they
belong at the moment. I am trying to sort a bit. This is the most
bewildering thing I have come to yet. I thought it was loosely
compacted
C. J.
I suppose these loose Carbon Anu are doing something by
themselves.
C. W. L.
They are part of this general mass. I am trying to sort
out the thing. I have got too much material I think. It is all
moving about; wait a bit, let us try to steady it. I see, yes.
Oh, bother, there is no definite relationship between them. They
all go round anyhow, and I can't discover yet which is the definite
centre.
C. J.
Nitrogen is a very dead sort of thing which hardly
combines. It does, but very feebly.
C. W. L.
It combines to the extent apparently of breaking up. Let
us see, there is that lot. I have two steady there curling round.
There are ten in that lot. It is so horribly complicated.
C. J.
I suppose the balloon remains the same.
C. W. L.
Yes, I don't think the balloon is upset, but besides the
two balloons - I see where I get those fellows from. Yes. I see
there will be two lots of them, that makes the ten, then, I think.
I suppose four like those and then these six little brutes here
because they are small.
C. J.
They come into the middle then, do they?
C. W. L.
Those are the ten. I think. Now, wait a minute.
C. J.
Then there are seven.
C. W. L.
That pear-shaped thing, that has seven in it. I have got too
many little apparently disconnected things.
C. J.
Can't we map them out? If you describe what there is, we
will locate them.
C. W. L.
I can't see how that thing can ever arrange itself so as to
be satisfactory. I have got my nine spikes and then I have Carbon
funnels in among those
nine spikes, but out of proportion to them, of course. I can't hold
the thing so as to make a diagram at present. I have got four
little spots.
C. J.
Those are the four Anu from the Carbons. Those are in the
grand centre.
C. W. L.
I have these two balloons which go round them keeping
opposite to one another. Then outside that I seem to get these ten
creatures -- ten balls of various sizes. They are not of the same
size.
C. J.
There are six of three and four of 20's.
C. W. L.
Those are the things which are much larger than the others.
Then there are seven of those fellows of nines. That is the lot out
of the lower part. How am I to distinguish them. What a
spiky-looking brute. I don't like this thing.
C. J.
It is a deadly poison.
C. W. L.
It is so oddly arranged, or rather it is not arranged at
all. It is a kind of conglomerate, and the things are not
comfortable together and they are repelling one another and nothing
fits satisfactorily.
C. J.
We have gone so far as to get at the ring of ten spheres.
C. W. L.
It is not even a ring; they are scattered about.
C. J.
Well, what is scattered further?
C. W. L.
Well, then, let us see. Have we taken into account -- I am
trying to identify these things. Six of these things are that lot,
I think.
C. J.
Four of them are the big lot of twenty.
C. W. L.
Yes, four will be that lot. Then those other things. How
many are they each?
C. J.
Nine each, but they are groups of three in each ball of
seven, unless they also get broken up. Each of them has little
groups of three inside, but I should not think they get broken up.
C. W. L.
The threes, of course won't get broken up. We are not high
enough for that yet.
C. J.
There are seven of them.
C. W. L.
Those must be those little compressed looking things.
There is no way in which I can lay this out flat. There are always
parts which do not fit in. I have been able to lay the others so
that I could group them, even though they did not fit. This will
not fit in any way.
C. J.
Well, I think we had better just describe where the
fellows are - how they are sprinkled about.
C. W. L.
They sort of thread about among one another. If I look at
it - let me tilt them corner-wise and look at them. Perhaps there
is a sort of a shadow of an arrangement that way. No, even that way
they don't fit. You will have to put them down as circulating
somewhat irregularly, the whole lot of these round that central
group. But I cannot make an arrangement of them which seems to put
any one into proportion with the rest.
C. J.
Those ten balls, those four large fellows and then the six
fellows, and these seven, they are all circulating about?
C. W. L.
Yes, they all more or less interfere with one another.
That is, you know how planets circling round the sun are
nevertheless dragged out of their proper course when they get near
one another. So these things seem to have an irregular motion,
because they are all the time coming into unexpected relations with
one another. The funnels lie between the bars and constitute a sort
of irregular looking set of radiants.
C. J.
How do the bars go?
C. W. L.
They are going generally in all directions into space.
C. J.
In one plane?
C. W. L.
Nothing is in one plane.
C. J.
No, but I mean the nine bars radiate out into nine
directions in space just as in Potassium.
C. W. L.
Yes, they radiate out, but the funnels radiate among them,
you see, with rather, if anything, more irregular arrangement than
the bars have. None of these things will fit in with one another.
There are nine bars and eight funnels between.
C. J.
Does it fit in?
C. W. L.
Of course, if you flatten that thing out -but you can't
flatten it out, can you?
C. J.
We will map it out.
C. W. L.
You never can map it out, because it is so irregular and so
queer.
C. J.
I can't make out the eight funnels and nine bars.
C. W. L.
Neither do I, because there would be a hole. Wait, I see
what you mean by the hole. Oh, I am stupid on this or else it
is a very unusual thing.
C. J.
Well, let us leave it.
Note.- Mr. Leadbeater repeated the observations later, with
results as described by him on page 311.
Methyl Chloride, CH3Cl, p313
C. W. L.
I do not understand this process; it seems to me as though
the Chlorine had become disintegrated, pulled apart. The
Hydrogen lies over the funnels of the Carbon, the positive part of
the Hydrogen over the negative and the negative Hydrogen over
the positive. The Chlorine in this bottle is broken up and arranges
itself over two funnels, a positive and a negative, which must mean,
I suppose, that the positive part of the Chlorine has got over the
negative funnel and the negative over the positive. But the whole
thing is broken up. Do we know offhand which of these little
circles are positive and which are negative?
C. J.
You cannot tell which is positive and which is negative.
We have taken it for granted that the funnels are alike.
C. W. L.
You mean that that group which makes the funnel is either a
negative group or a positive group?
C. J.
We have taken it that all the funnels are the same size and
the number of Anu the same at both ends of the dumb-bell. But no
attempt was made to identify them, as of either a positive
quality or a negative.
C. W. L.
Every chemical atom of Chlorine will as a whole have a
positive end and a negative end. The funnels rotate up from a
central globe and then these two parts are connected by a rod. I
don't see for the moment how I am to make out which is which of
these.
C. J.
Are they all alike in appearance in this particular
compound and what has happened to the central rod?
C. W. L.
The central rod appears to have separated so that its
constituent spheres are no longer together - the
connecting rod I mean. He had a middle five according to this
diagram (page 65) - a five, two fours and two threes. In the
connecting rod, the five appears to have gone one way and the rest
of the group the other, but why?
C. J.
Find out over which funnel the five has gone, and if you
shoot down the funnel and see if it is the one where one of those
Anu is missing, then we can locate it.
C. W. L.
The Anu is missing in the negative funnel.
C. J.
If this five is hovering over that one we will know he is
positive.
C. W. L.
Well. I think he is over a negative funnel. The positive
usually has more Anu in it than the negative. But in this case more
Anu are hovering over the positive funnel. Wait a minute, I think I
see, I am not sure yet. Yes, there is a good deal of
breaking up taking place. Is that normal or is it because this
is old?
C. J.
I can't tell you; of course it is also extremely volatile,
and that may be one effect of breaking up. Chloroform is also
volatile, but not so much.
C. W. L.
The fact for the moment is that in this particular case we
have an atom of Chlorine broken up.
C. J.
In what way is it broken up? What is the rearrangement of
the funnels?
C. W. L.
I can hardly trace some of these things, it is broken up a
good deal. You see
the funnels are not now definite
funnels. You see the thing which holds them together is parted from
them.
C. J.
The central rod or the central sphere?
C. W. L.
The central point of the central rod is apparently the
principal thing - the heart of the thing.
C. J.
That is exactly what the scientists call this hard core of
protons.
C. W. L.
I do not see that it is any harder than any of the other. It
is just an arrangement of Anu.
Chloroform, CHCl3, p314
C. J.
Carbon is an octahedron of eight funnels. Chlorine is
roughly a negative element. But we found there are two varieties.
one of which seemed more positive than the other. Is there any
difference in the Chlorines which are tacked on in this molecule?
C. W. L.
You mean to say, if there are three Chlorines in
Chloroform, is there an isotope? Or if they are all alike is there
another variety of Chlorine?
C. J.
First examine in any one molecule whether all the three
Chlorines are exactly the same.
C. W. L.
They are usually attached to positive funnels of Carbon.
If I can find a fellow attached to a negative funnel of Carbon that
would mean we had a positive funnel in Chlorine.
It seems to me there are a good many more of the old form than of
this one which is new to us. I should have said they are half and
half. If there are two kinds and they mix together you might have
more of one particular kind than of the other. All of them that I
have analyzed so far look about the same.
C. J.
There is nothing so very obvious?
C. W. L.
It is not commonly obvious. This is your Chloroform. I
will make one: he won't stick and won't flow into the other
funnels. We can try all sorts of experiments. We might make
new elements. You have to slew your Carbon round. I can make them
stick but not in the same holes. Yes, I can get the Hydrogen to go
in opposite. I believe I have; I can make a molecule out of the
three fatter types of Chlorine and a Carbon. I can't get the
Hydrogen to adhere very easily. I will try him in different holes.
Yes, I can get him going.
C. J.
Does he remain permanently?
C. W. L.
Yes, he has remained so far.
C. J.
See if there will be a mixture.
C. W. L.
They don't come out opposite one another. I think the
thing will adhere. It looks a bit distorted and unnatural. I can
make one with three of the bigger kinds of Chlorine, but then I get
my Hydrogen. It does not seem to fit. They don't somehow lie so
evenly. I believe it can be done. I think the Chloroform life
would utilize a thing like that.
Methyl Alcohol, CH3OH, p314
C. W. L.
I can take your OH and stick him on instead of the
Chlorine.
C. J.
How does the Hydroxyl work?
C. W. L.
The Hydroxyl particle as I get him is a double snake with
half of the Hydrogen at the top of him and half at the bottom; no,
the Oxygen is not altered at all.
C. J.
You have got two funnels to operate upon with your
Hydroxyl?
C. W. L.
I have only found one. Let me see what he, O, will do when
he is left alone. He promptly severs connection. I stick him on
instead of the Chlorine. But when I remove the will from him he
does not stay; he pops out. I do not appear to be able to get him
to stick together. I put him in all right.
C. J.
Over both funnels?
C. W. L.
No. I put him over one, what can I put in over the other?
I cannot break up my Oxygen.
C. J.
The best way is to get a bit of Methyl Alcohol and see how
it is arranged.
C. W. L.
The Hydrogens would sort themselves like the rest, but I
cannot make the Oxygen stay, it is so lively.
C. J.
That is why I want to know what is the arrangement in
Methyl Alcohol or in all these other alcohols so far as that corner
of the Carbon is concerned.
C. W. L.
The Logos must be able to do these things, but I cannot
make these things stick on. The Oxygen departs as soon as one
removes one's will from it. You can make these things?
C. J.
Yes, but by a round-about process. You can see how it is
sticking in this thing. This is a double-decker, but there is the
OH and that will also give me the information. I want to know how
these two Carbon atoms get tacked on side by side.
C. W. L.
They fit pretty fairly as far as I can see. I do not think
there is any difficulty there. I think I see how they send lines
into one another. The lines are rather curved lines.
C. J.
Positive being opposite to negative?
C. W. L.
Yes, the Oxygen appears to float there, but I cannot make
him stick.
C. J.
How does he float now, over both funnels? Does he get bent
round?
C. W. L.
Yes. I don't seem to be able to attach the thing, and yet
he attaches himself.
C. J.
The main thing is how does he attach himself
C. W. L.
He appears to spin with the lower end pointed inwards
towards the axis of the whole show.
C. J.
He gets sucked into a funnel?
C. W. L.
He floats partially immersed.
C. J.
With half the Hydrogen underneath him?
C. W. L.
He appears - that is the trouble; that half Hydrogen has
lost its counterbalancing weight; half of him is at the top and half
at the bottom.
C. J.
Is not there perhaps in this Alcohol a bigger change, or
does the Carbon still remain Carbon?
C. W. L.
Yes, the Carbon remains Carbon, I think, only I get one
Carbon funnel unsatisfied. I can break your Hydroxyl and put part
of the Hydrogen on top of that, but I break the Oxygen snake. I can
get one in which the Oxygen snake will combine. I cannot do
anything with him. I can lay him across the top of two funnels,
though he is still as stiff as a poker. And then his Hydrogen
curves over at each end and hovers. It is a very unstable
arrangement. The Hydrogen may break up and the Oxygen disappear.
C. J.
The Oxygen insists on standing upright?
C. W. L.
I have got him lying horizontally across the two funnels
only it is not then at right angles to any of them. It is only
lying across between two and spilling a Hydrogen down each funnel
C. J.
How is the other end? Is he simply over one funnel,
leaving the other unsatisfied?
C. W. L.
Yes. You see, I tried putting the Hydroxyl down one funnel
and then taking away one Hydrogen, half a Hydrogen to satisfy the
other funnel, but then it won't work. The two half Hydrogens remain
and float, but the Oxygen then promptly disappears on his own
account. I cannot get this Oxygen to remain still.
C. J.
How is it done in the actual combining in your hand?
C. W. L.
Well, it is done as I have said by a bar lying across as
straight as that, but with its half Hydrogen drooping that way and
this way.
Calcium Carbide, CaC2, p273
C. J.
CaC2 is Calcium Carbide and it picks up Hydrogen
from the water.
C. W. L.
Wait a bit. Let us see how the Calcium Carbide is first.
C. J.
Calcium has four funnels.
C. W. L.
Calcium is that queer thing with a grand centre. Carbide
of Calcium contains two Carbons. Four funnels standing out equally.
I am thinking of the Calcium. That is a tetrahedron with a grand
centre.
C. J.
How are the Carbon and the large Calcium funnels
distributed?
C. W. L.
This is quite a new creature. He must be very unstable
because the Carbon bounces off at the least opportunity. Where is
your Carbon?
C. J.
Does it get broken up again? How are those eight funnels
of Carbon arranged?
C. W. L.
There will be 16 if you have got two Carbons. You see I
have here four very fat funnels. I have that queer lamination in
the central sphere, an orange-like thing, split up in sections, and
then I have four very fat funnels.
C. J.
Those are the Calcium funnels.
C. W. L.
Yes, but they also absorb into them a great deal which they
bad not before.
C. J.
What have they absorbed into them, anything of the Carbon
funnels?
C. W. L.
Surely, but what was the original Calcium, that which filled
the funnel? The funnel itself is not a solid thing. That which
filled the funnels stands in the middle. There are, as it were,
four Carbon things, dancing round it and it is all in one fat funnel
which is more like a kind of cup.
C. J.
What about those eight little individual Anu?
C. W. L.
The eight little individual Anu? It looks as though the
Carbon funnels were upside down somehow.
C. J.
Are they?
C. W. L.
I don't see how they can be.
C. J.
Are they individual Anu inside that grand thing, because
they go in pairs?
C. W. L.
I don't think the grand thing has been interfered with.
No, then are they inside this fat funnel, each fat fellow having two
of these Anu because they have four Carbon funnels? They are, I
think, still with their respective pairs. Yes, holding them
together.
Acetic Acid. CH3COOH, p315
C. J.
It starts the Chain series. How are these things tacked on
to the second Carbon?
C. W. L.
There are two Oxygens and that would mean apparently a
Hydrogen streaming away.
C. J.
How is it tacked on?
C. W. L.
The Hydrogen is attached only to one Oxygen.
C. J.
You need only look at that end of the double barrel
affair.
C. W. L.
And I have to annex two more Oxygen, and then apparently
a Hydrogen.
C. J.
Why need you annex them? Can't you look at it?
C. W. L.
I don't seem to get him quite that way at the moment
C. J.
There are six Carbon funnels to satisfy.
C. W. L.
But aren't there really eight, but two of those are looking
into one another? I am not satisfied with the Hydrogen exactly.
C. J.
What is the trouble?
C. W. L.
You know, the Hydrogen does seem to be attached to the
Oxygen. I think I vaguely guess what the chemists may be meaning.
You see the two Oxygens are so powerful that they also exercise an
attraction. You see, at the other end of the Acetic Acid there are
three Hydrogens on three sides of a square. They are all quiescent.
They do not disturb one another, but these two Oxygens appear to be
so vivid, so vital, that they do exercise a very considerable
disturbing influence over the Hydrogen which ought to be in between
them.
C. J.
They are both tugging at the Hydrogen from two ends?
C. W. L.
So that the Hydrogen is not settled. It really belongs to
the two Carbon funnels which are between the Oxygens. It is pulled
all the time both ways, and it is in a very, what you might call, a
very excited condition. It does not fit in at all stably. It looks
as though it were intended to be attached to this Carbon funnel,
only the Oxygen on each side of it exercises such a disturbing
influence that it is almost detached.
C. J.
Don't you think the Oxygen is different in the way it is
held to the Carbon funnels? Because Oxygen generally
bursts up the funnels and sticks them at the end, and here you have
the Oxygen like a bar.
C. W. L.
Well, but he is doing his own revolution.
C. J.
But flat-wise, horizontal?
C. W. L.
Yes, if you can call it so. But lying across two funnels
as he did before in some other thing we did. (Methyl Alcohol).
C. J.
But he had two half Hydrogens to spill down the funnels.
C. W. L.
Possibly he wants this Hydrogen for that purpose. The
whole thing is in an excited condition. In fact, I wonder whether
the excited condition has anything to do with its very disturbing
mordant properties? Is there any possibility of an action that
way, because the thing is in that quivering condition. It would
therefore eat its way into other things.
C. J.
We found years ago when you were investigating Fluorine
that he was always hammering with his point and that is why he eats
his way into all substances. That is what made the thing so
violent. He shoves his way through things.
C. W. L.
Quite possibly he might, but I do not get the effect that
you have drawn quite of the thing attached to one Oxygen only, it
seems to me it is disturbed by the two Oxygens, that it is just
because of that. If you get it attached to one, then there would be
a Carbon streaming out into the air dissatisfied.
Tartaric Acid, (COOH.CHOH)2, p317
C. J.
We have two Carbon atoms; then we have here the Hydrogen
over two funnels; and then there is an Oxygen and Hydrogen there and
then you have got another Oxygen.
C. W. L.
You are sure you have got this the right way up? I have a
thing like a mushroom over here at each end. But wait a minute. I
want to see how this mushroom is built.
C. J.
This formation we know. That is the Hydroxyl.
C. W. L.
If your mushroom is top and bottom that is the thing we have
got. Wait a minute, I think I can work that. Let me see; how did I
start, by building up that thing. Two Carbons only had I to start
with? What is the simplest form of that?
C. J.
The simplest form is Ethane.
C. W. L.
And when you get the two Carbons you get Hydrogen round
them.
C. J.
The two funnels from each Carbon interlock.
C. W. L.
That central arrangement seems to be the same, but I have
got these two queer caps. What is the intermediate stage? What
should I have had there if I had not this cap? Just Hydrogen? or
Hydroxyl?
The Carbons are attached to the Hydrogen when you let the thing
alone, but when this Oxygen comes in it makes a different effect and
I have to try to sort it out and first of all to hold it still.
These are the Anu from the Carbon, but that arrangement is not quite
the same. Now wait a bit. Yes, it rushes through here. It turns
those wide apart. Now, where is the rest of it gone? Hydrogen has
not all those valences. Now, I have got him. At present he seems
to sort of stream all over there. I think the Hydrogen is almost
practically entirely broken up, I have got two of him. You have
your Carbon funnels radiating out, but much more than you have drawn
them.
Then down here you have some rocketing out in the same way? Then
here are two threes of Hydrogen lying in between here and pushing
these things apart. They operate towards the central body in some
way. You know there is a central body there. You have got that
idea. The two push these apart. There are four more threes kicking
about somewhere.
C. J.
Certainly there are four more, and where are they?
C. W. L.
They are lying somewhere here.
C. J.
One over each?
C. W. L.
Well, if it is one over each there is also one in the
middle. Do you see what I mean? But those are separate Anu. They
are not threes. The whole thing is a three, but it is like that.
But it is your three only. This business has pushed the two things
apart so the effect I get when it revolves is quite a rounded cap
much like a mushroom moving round on a stick. The thing is like
that and it is all going round this way.
They must be male and female. It is curious the distortion of this
thing, making it curve. It looks like a cone on the top of a stick.
You see you are joining together a number of things here which are
all of them obstinate. Oxygen is a thing which will not readily
give way and Carbon is another thing which also retains its funnel
and its position. And so there is a considerable strain about it
all.
C. J.
I should like to be quite clear as to this Oxygen here.
You remember I have Oxygen as a bar in Hydroxl. Is that the same
thing here?
C. W. L.
Yes, he is spilling things down funnels all right. There is a
slight tendency to curvature, but very little.
Maleic Acid, C2H2(COOH) p319
C. W. L.
This appears to be one of the type in which Oxygens point
to each other and are a little flattened. The Oxygens come nearer
to one another than they naturally would. This should be a stronger
link between the Carbon than there ordinarily is. In this case you
have a double link between Carbons. There are four funnels called
into play instead of two and they are somewhat slewed sideways; to
allow of that the Carbon atoms are a little out of shape.
As you had it before the ends faced squarely and they fitted in a
sort of arch. But now the COOH groups being at an angle that way,
the funnels are a little bit bent. But I should say it was a much
stronger link than the other of the Tartaric Acid scheme, unless the
distortion of the atoms works against that. It may be they are
always pulling to get straight again.
C. J.
Is the end as I have drawn it?
C. W. L.
More or less it is like that.
C. J.
I want to see how the Carbon looks?
C. W. L.
The Carbons are clear enough. The other things are twirling
round, but still if you stop it, it is all a mist.
Phenol, C6H5OH, p323
C. J.
In Phenol there is an OH group at the corner, not the top,
otherwise everything is the same as in Benzene.
C. W. L.
This is one of those octagonal things which look like a
six-sided ring. Focus your sight and see if you can see. It is not
straight but it seems as if the ring were pulled askew. The OH
group is not at the top. There is no north, east, south and west.
C. J.
Cannot you get in front of him and say that the OH is on
the right top corner?
C. W. L.
I can't get him like that because these things are not
straight but swerving. They are asymmetrical. Is it possible to
grasp the idea that the difference in these things is not in the
atoms but the way in which they be in reference to the currents?
If you revolve the whole thing in the same plane the centre is no
longer horizontal to the plane of the motion, but just a little
askew. Do you get the idea? The Carbon to which the Oxygen is
attached is askew, therefore instead of the lines of force lying
straight, in relation to one another, or at right angles, it is as
though you made a diagram and someone sat on it and slightly bent
it.
In this case that flow of force is affected because the whole
molecule is a little askew and it is as if it was bent round a
little. The whole thing is tilted, so when it revolves it wobbles.
It is off its balance.
C. J.
What happens when the Phenol loses its Oxygen?
C. W. L.
He becomes straight. Look at the Phenol in among the water.
There are only comparatively few of them, I should say not more than
a million in that whole bottle. The water molecules are roundish
things. Can you see the Phenol among the water? Hold a little in
your mouth for a minute; can you get inside your head enough to see
It is very odd; the Phenol has a distinct rudiment of sensation.
Mr. Leadbeater touched the top of the bottle of Phenol, or Carbolic
Acid, with his finger, smelt it, and then touched his gum with it.
Evidently there was some point of infection in his gum, for as he
touched the spot with the Phenol something happened that made him
laugh. On my inquiring, he said that the Oxygen left the Hydrogen
to do its work of disinfection. But, as it left, it experienced a
tiny thrill of delight, for the Oxygen had been held as a prisoner
in the Hydroxyl group. But when the opportunity came to break the
bondage and be free once again there was a clear sense of relief, of
duty done, and furthermore the sense "Now I can die in peace".
The feeling is very minute but there is an interesting side to all
this; the side of the feelings of the chemicals involved.
Hydroquinone. C6H4(OH)2, p324
C. W. L.
The Oxygen is at the top and bottom. How do you keep him from
floating away?
C. J.
He is baked: just as in Phenol. The Oxygen was tacked on
and it stayed.
C. W. L.
There is Hydrogen as well as Oxygen. This fellow at any
rate stands upright.
C. J.
He has a float at the bottom. He ought to be in motion.
He is pushing up. It is the middle that really holds the thing, I
believe.
C. W. L.
The middle of what? The middle of the molecule'? Now
this Hydroquinone is quite different from Phenol. One thing happens
with this, that your original cigar or Octahedron whatever you call
it is elongated.
C. J.
Is this thing elongated?
C. W. L.
Yes, somewhat elongated. It is still an Octahedron, but it
is a longer Octahedron. This has only one Octahedron, but an Oxygen
on the top and the other at the bottom.
C. J.
Two Oxygens pulling appear to elongate the whole thing.
C. W. L.
Perhaps that is really all they do.
Benzaldehyde, C6H5CHO, p325
C. W. L.
I seem to have him with a kind of wart. The Carbons are
not perfect Carbons. The centre is all right, but this wart at one
side is rather complicated. It is like some queer unusual growth.
It is not flat like that. Those little Hydrogen balls seem out of
place.
C. J.
Does the Oxygen come in front of them there and do the
others tack on?
C. W. L.
There are three funnels at the angles of a triangle, but on a
different plane, sticking up.
C. J.
Parallel to each other?
C. W. L.
One at each angle of a triangle. Those four other funnels
lie flat. But there are these little Hydrogen balls dodging in and
out. In all those others they came comfortably and meekly opposite
the end of the funnel. But these don't seem to do that. I can't
locate one to each funnel.
C. J.
You will have one up here and one there?
C. W. L.
I think I can see how it is. The four funnels that lie
flat don't seem to have any balls. It looks to me as though the
fact that they had not in some way affects the others.
C. J.
A sort of tug between the two sets of them?
C. W. L.
That is it, practically. I have my three Hydrogen balls at
the top and three at the bottom, only they are not so static, not
quiet.
Salicylic Acid, C4H5COOH.OH, p327
C. J.
Here we have COOH and OH.
C. W. L.
It is a little like Benzaldehyde but here I have another
Oxygen which interferes with the arrangement.
C. J.
How does the third Oxygen come in?
C. W. L.
The molecule is spinning. You have to hold it still and
then you have to be careful that you do not spoil its shape. I am
always afraid of disturbing the things because I must stop their
motion in order to give an idea of them. Let me see. I thought I
got a glimpse of it then. I think when I get it sorted out the
complexity is perhaps more apparent than real. You say you add
another Oxygen and then there is apparently a Hydrogen which has
appeared from somewhere holding the two ends of the Oxygen much as
it does in Benzaldehyde.
C. J.
I think we have only added a Hydroxyl. How do the extra
Oxygens dispose themselves?
C. W. L.
Much as you had them just now in Benzaldehyde. If you
could add a third to these you would have them equidistant. Then
there are the Hydrogens floating at the end.
The five Carbons are all the same; it is only this one corner which
seems to me out. And I think it is differently arranged in
different cases. There is one of these things where the things
tacked on here had two Oxygens.
C. J.
Otherwise it was the same?
C. W. L.
I am not sure of that, but it had two Oxygens here side by
side, as it were. And between those Oxygens there is some other
floating material. Then the mushroom and - I don't know, I suppose
I must be stupid. I have found things in which some of these
affairs were stuck on. This particular one is COON plus OH. I
have had him before, the COOH made the mushroom.
C. J.
But of the chain series?
C. W. L.
One of the things sticking on ... what was it we had sticking
on, Benzaldehyde?
C. J.
CHO.
C. W. L.
CHO, only there are two more Oxygens and a Hydrogen. But
there is a difference here because in that mushroom arrangement
there was a mushroom at each end. I do not see how there can be
that here.
C. J.
There is not; it is only in one corner.
C. W. L.
That is an entirely different thing.
C. J.
And that mushroom was in a chain formation.
C. W. L.
Then what of this other thing which has its Oxygens as
pillars in the middle?
C. J.
I suppose it is another variant of Salicylic Acid.
Pyridine. C5H5N, p329
C. J.
Here is Pyridine.
C. W. L.
It is Benzene, except that in one corner it is Nitrogen.
He is a very sluggish creature. You won't get him to alter his
shape much.
C. J.
If the Nitrogen just sticks here that is all right.
C. W. L.
But you have to do something with these six funnels.
C. J.
There are not six funnels, there is no Carbon.
C. W. L.
Then that is comparatively easy.
C. J.
No, because with this arrangement, the twelve things there,
the grand centre, gets knocked out.
C. W. L.
Either you have a different or defective centre or you get
something out of that Nitrogen. Yes. Well now. Nitrogen has a
balloon arrangement and he has a queer thing lying underneath him,
some kind of a dish. Has Nitrogen any valences in particular?
C. J.
He might be either three or five.
C. W. L.
What I am trying to make out is how he sticks on.
Apparently he takes the place
of the Carbon and each Carbon, gives two of his funnels to that
central thing.
C. J.
Unless the grand centre is changed
C. W. L.
The grand centre must still have power to hold. As I see
the thing Nitrogen looks like a pear drop, but looks out of place
and he is distorting the whole thing to some extent. Now,
let me look at the Nitrogen there is his balloon, (N 110) and
there is his dish (N 63).
C. J.
And what about his two supports at the bottom?
C. W. L.
Wait a minute; there are two bodies, 2N24.
C. J.
Two large spheres inside each of which you find four balls.
Those two must be the link. They must have gone into the centre.
The centre is all different.
C. W. L.
Well, it is a skew-looking centre; that part of Nitrogen
has gone into .that central ball of ours.
C. J.
That central ball is composed of twelve spheres. Evidently
two of these take the place of two Carbon funnels.
C. W. L.
Yes, those two twenty-fours do take the place of the Carbon
funnels, but they make it look a little asymmetric.
C. J.
In the grand centre of Benzene there would be six loose Anu
and here there will only be five. You must put in another loose
Amu.
C. W. L.
I don't see it.
C. J.
There are only five Amu then circling round?
C. W. L.
I can make out only five.
C. J.
The whole grand centre bulges out?
C. W. L.
Rather I think it caves in. This corner of it, this side
of it is not satisfactory. It has been dented so to speak. There
are not quite so many Anu somehow as there were.
C. J.
Minus just a small number. Does it make a little flat
place?
C. W. L.
The thing is not so perfect.
C. J.
Are these two balls contiguous?
C. W. L.
Yes, they are contiguous, I think. It is as it was before
except that these two things seem smaller and don't fully fill their
place and also the fact that there is one missing inside probably
upsets matters. It is a ball dented in one place. I do not like
this irregular asymmetrical thing.
C. J.
It surprises me that it is stable?
C. W. L.
Well, yes it is stable. The rest of it is Carbon. This
central block, the rest of it has attractive power and holds these.
I mean they overpower these things, but it is a weakness in it, a
weak spot, it looks to me.
A and B Napthol, C10H7OH, p331
C. J.
This is Napthol.
C. W. L.
You see the difficulty about this thing is that there is
really no up or down for all these things. There is a sort of
gravity, a current perhaps which keeps them usually lying in one
way, but you have only to find the way and you can see all round it.
You may say that it has a way it more commonly lies.
C. J.
In the Alpha Napthol the OH is in the top bunch of funnels.
In Beta Napthol it is in one of the side bunches.
C. W. L.
You mean the number of atoms is the same, but the thing is
differently arranged? I can't see how they can know that. This
corner will be equally a Carbon - three-fourths of a Carbon. The
colour is different.
C. J.
The difference of colour will be due to the packing of it
as crystals and then the way that the light gets broken up. We are
not following up crystallization.
C. W. L.
You see, we are coming into touch now with some things which
are quite different from all those we tackled before, and they are
different, in what is to me a very unpleasant way, in looking at
them.
C. J.
Because they have not got a head or a tail?
C. W. L.
They give me a very uncomfortable impression of distortion,
of very, great strain. Everything with which we have had to deal
before has had a certain symmetry. These things are asymmetrical in
some weird way. It gives one an impression of unnaturalness. I do
not know whether these things exist in Nature or whether they are
made, so to speak - whether they exist in Nature made by the Logos
or whether they exist only when made by men. Could that be so? Can
man make anything which does not exist in Nature?
C. J.
Yes, they make lots of things.
C. W. L.
The point rather is that the Oxygen ought to bring that side
of the thing to the top.
C. J.
It doesn't. I would like to know if in this corner the
funnels instead of being flat twist the Oxygen round so that the
Oxygen is like that and stands at right angles. Here he lies
horizontally. At that side is it at the top?
C. W. L.
How can anything like Oxygen be anywhere than at the top?
C. J.
No, don't make it go to the top. It does not do that.
C. W. L.
The thing must rotate differently. How many Carbon atoms
altogether?
C. J.
In the molecule there are ten Carbons altogether.
C. W. L.
This thing is attached to one of those Carbons off in a
corner.
C. J.
That is all.
C. W. L.
Horrid, uncomfortable thing. I can't make it fit in. There
is something wrong.
C. J.
Have you got hold of the corner where the Oxygen is
hanging?
C. W. L.
You see I have to try it at all sorts of angles, and I have
not yet got one that looks like your arrangement.
C. J.
But in what way is the Beta Napthol corner different from
that of the Alpha? The Alpha was quite clear; the Oxygen was
floating on the cushion of force from the funnels.
C. W. L.
Yes, so I think is this.
The thing is a cohesive whole. The whole molecule is leaning over
very roughly. The impression given is that the Oxygen is a sort of
balloon filled with Hydrogen, or something like that, because it is
somehow pulling the thing out of shape. It is not straight up and
down with the earth current
This thing is stretched to my side. It is all askew. It is dragged
so that it no longer lies flat along the outlying current of force.
C. J.
The whole thing?
C. W. L.
I think the whole thing is a bit askew, but this one, the Beta
Naphthol, is more askew.
C. J.
But is it the same as at the top?
C. W. L.
It is more to one side. This thing is like two rods tied
together, but on one of the rods is a wart and that wart disturbs
the action. Those two things when left to themselves go round like
that and keep perfectly straight, but when you have got the OH the
molecule is not quite so straight. This Beta Naphthol is very much
worse than that. He is askew like that, pulling a little away and
as he goes round he wobbles.
Indigo (C6H4NH.CO.C)2, p332
C. J.
Here is Indigo. There is a CO and an NH group. How is the
NH attached
C. W. L.
There is a Nitrogen balloon in the middle and the other parts
of the Nitrogen circling round. Those two Carbons will attach
themselves as usual and that will take up two valences. One valence
is taken up with the Hydrogen. This Nitrogen will hold his Hydrogen
at the top of him in order that he may hold the Carbons at each
side. He has no funnels; he does not work in an ordinary way. He
floats looking like a bottle. I do not think he does divide his
Hydrogen. I think he has it on the top.
C. J.
Arranged on the top?
C. W. L.
Straight on end. How do the valences act? It looks as
though they were coming out of the balloon. He has not any funnels
that he turns towards anything. It appears to work out of his
balloon. He is sort of self-contained like a solar system in
himself. The balloon draws down towards that dish below it. I
think the balloon is the active part of him. This seems to be the
important
part and it seems he is less drawn towards this plate, because he
sends a little kind of cap up there which is probably holding the
Hydrogen, and then he stretches out two hand-like things and those
are attached to the Carbons. This thing is linked together. It has
a peculiar outline and this thing bulges out like an amoeba and I
think they have drawn it in a little to make room for all those. He
is spreading from a balloon into a queer truncated cross. Now this
is small; these are larger. It is more a vague swelling.
C. J.
What about the bottom thing, the CO?
C. W. L.
Is there no centre?
C. J.
The grand centre is this thing.
C. W. L.
It will take two of his valences to attach him to the
Oxygen. You see he has to hold himself on to his Oxygen. That
funnel and that funnel will be occupied with that. That is only one
valence. Those two would make one valence going up one line and
those two would make the other.
C. J.
You would have two funnels there. I don't for the moment
see how the Oxygen holds the Carbon. You see the Oxygen must hold
two of these. As they are drawn it looks as though it would be very
much round a corner. That must be how his valences hold themselves.
I have got two of them going flat. How are the other funnels linked
to the Carbon?
C. W. L.
It looks to me as though of these two, one is a positive
and one a negative. What I can't make out is how these two fasten
on to the top of the Oxygen, when they appear to be facing away from
it, and how these two to the bottom of the Oxygen. The whole thing
appears to be pulled out of shape. As far as I can get it from that
little tangle I think that is the scheme, that instead of lying flat
on the top of the Oxygen, you might let it drop over the Oxygen.
Then here and there those are a pair at both ends of the Oxygen and
they come together and make a link. There is the Hydrogen over
there and these two come and make a link over here, and these two
bend over so that they are much nearer the Oxygen. It is almost as
though one turned over that batch of papers so that not only this
fellow is facing towards the Oxygen but also that, with a little
bending each way. So that instead of that being a flat thing it is
a curved thing. They might be floating lying across the mouth of
that, but instead of that they are all drooping over more or less,
these bending over here and the others bending over the Oxygen. The
Oxygen is standing up. That is what he appears to me to be doing.
He stands up like that. Of the four, one funnel sticks out towards
that Carbon and another aims towards that, and these two aim down
rather like that.
C. J.
What about these bottom funnels?
C. W. L.
The Oxygen is in the centre of this side. One aims from
here at this and really they are so close together the distance here
is great as compared to the Oxygen. If you want you can make a
representation to scale but your Oxygen would be a little beastie
like that and your Carbon would be a long way away. A line coming
from the top of your Oxygen would diverge so very slightly. Those
two are really like one stream.
C. J.
The Oxygen does not stand in the middle of a
straight line?
C. W. L.
It dependNo, it is a dip down.s upon the way you look at
it. If you look at it from above you would see them in a straight
line. In all these cases we have to face the fact that they do not
lie in a plane like that. That makes it look all different. In
trying to look them up you find you have to manoeuvre and put them
in position in order to have them looking like a drawing.
Note.- All the observations were illustrated by sketches. It
is from these original drawings, as well as from the notes, that the
diagrams given in this book were constructed as accurately as
possible.
The disintegration of the Elements
When the investigations, begun in 1895, were continued in 1907 at
Weisser-Hirsch, the work was divided, C. W. Leadbeater making the
detailed diagrams of each element, and Annie Besant concentrating on
the work of breaking up each element through the various sub-planes,
resolving them finally into separate Anu. She made sketches of
these, seated cross-legged on a rug with a pad on her lap, in the
woods of Weisser-Hirsch. Her original diagrams, done in pencil, are
at Adyar.
The work was so novel that it never occurred to me till years
afterwards that there was a great gap in the work done by her. All
the groups are moving in space in three dimensions, while she
has drawn them on paper as if they were only on the surface of a
plane. It was many years later I realized that I should have
supplied her in 1907 with a schematic diagram, so that she could
draw the movements of the groups in three dimensions. Following is
such a diagram made by me, but of course long years after she had
done the work.
FIG. 224. DIAGRAM FOR THREE DIMENSIONAL DRAWING
procedure to produce Invisibility
C. W. Leadbeater once informed me that if a person or object stood
in front of one, it was possible to make it appear at if he or it
was not there, by causing the light vibrations from behind to bend
round and meet again in front. For this ii would be necessary to
make some adjustment of the ether, so that the light rays would
bend, as needed.
Smell
There being some citronella on a table near by the question was
asked what happens when one smells. Essential oils are complicated
structures. Therefore, is smell produced by the molecule as a
whole, or by parts of it when they impinge on the nerve?
The reply, after smelling citronella, is that it breaks up into
molecules or parts. A few of these parts awaken response from the
nerve ends. They wake up the nerve ends. The vibrations of these
particles are pleasing and wake up the nerve, which then absorbs
them as food. In citronella there are at least two different types
which stir up the nerve ends. The nerve ends seem hungry, and
anything with scent wakes them up, and the particles are absorbed
like food. There are many phenomena which happen, which would be
worth while careful detailed investigation.
Orange peel was then smelt. "I appear to have vast numbers of
these nerve ends, and they respond to different types of vibrations.
Orange stirs up the ends which did not respond to citronella. Some
ends are not stirred up by either." C. W. L. did not see why.
Iodine was smelt and was described as a savage thing. The nerves
break up Iodine and absorb part of it and reject the rest.
Sal volatile was examined
Sandalwood
smell is soothing and steadying and plays a sort of tune on the ends of
nerves. Request was made for some poison, which could be smelt in order
to see if afterwards the nerves which are affected are restored by smelling
an agreeable thing. Unfortunately, no poison was on hand for the purpose.
Salts of lemon was produced, but has no smell. Similarly, calomel. That
also has no smell. A bit of calomel was put on the tongue. It was noted
as dissolving and the calomel making various compounds.
C. W. L. said that test after test repeated constantly would be
necessary to find out the effects of these various substances. The
difficulty is to find out which effect is the cause of
another
effect. He believed that a great department of inquiry is awaiting in
the future along this line, but it has to be very patient and
prolonged.
The Cancer cell
On examining the cancer cell Mr. Leadbeater observed that it is
exactly like the normal cell, except that it is an enantiomorph, a
looking-glass image of it" It was," said the investigator, "as if a
right-hand glove were to be drawn inside out, to make a left-hand
glove." He did not know what caused this inversion and no virus was
sought for. When a cell starts this inversion, which is easily
observed from the fourth-dimensional view, it acts explosively and
seems to affect other cells and make them invert also.
The Smallpox germ
Mr. Leadbeater
observed my arm which had been vaccinated. He said
There is a mass of infinitesimally small things like a round ruler.
It is very active. It is far more akin to the animal kingdom than
many other bacteria, which appear more akin to the vegetable
kingdom.
The white corpuscle swallows these round bodies, it then swells and
bursts and disintegrates. But there are also other things like
cheese-mites or tiny beetles. They are propagating at an enormous
rate; but they also die. Now happens a curious thing; they leave
behind them, by secreting or by disintegrating, something that is
poison ous to other creatures. The round bodies are poisoning the
blood; they are swimming in a foul stinking morass. But how do the
cheese-mites happen to be at the wound?
Before the introduction of the smallpox germ they exist in the
blood, but in a different condition. They exist in a kind of
egg-shape. They are in my own blood. They are in the blood
normally. But when a sore is caused by the introduction of the
smallpox germ, the eggs are stimulated into activity. There is an
intermediate stage between the egg and the cheese-mite, when it has
the appearance of an ugly crustacean. Then afterwards it blossoms
out into the cheese-mite.
These cheese-mites attack the smallpox germs (the round bodies).
They are like tiny glass cylinders. A cheese-mite takes into itself
several of these; it looks as if it dissolves them, that is, unites
with them. It takes in too many and bursts. But the two have
chemically affected one another, and somehow out of the wreck of it
all something is produced which apparently is poisonous to the germ.
When the poison comes in contact with the germ, the latter curls up
and collapses. The germ is like a little rod of transparent glass,
and it dissolves.
In reply to the question "How did the eggs get into the blood," C.
W. L. said: "I am presumably drawing them in with the breath. How
do they get into the blood? Through the lungs I should say. They
are like unfertilized eggs; they drift in and out of the body."
C. J.
A kind of etheric amoeba in the atmosphere?
C. W. L.
They are floating about. They increase enormously in number
when they are awakened,
C. J.
Do they conjugate?
C. W. L.
Individual cheese-mites do not get together to conjugate, so
far as I can see. There are enormous numbers of these microscopic
eggs.
C. J.
Whence come the mites?
C. W. L.
I am on the track of the thing. There are two brands of
mites. I suppose male and female. A vast mass of eggs seems to
exist - presumably coming from the female. Then, it is as if a
shadow fell upon them, and they burst out and live. There are some
kinds of fish that propagate in some queer way like that. It is as
if the other variety of cheese-mites threw a veil over the eggs.
But there must first be some peculiar chemical action produced in
the blood to cause this breeding and blending.
But dozens, hundreds of varieties of tiny creatures exist in the
atmosphere, and they are entering us all the time, and they pass
through the system unaffected. They do not seem to matter so long
as we are healthy. But if something happens to us, they seem to
develop.
Arthritis
At one time C. W. L. had a very painful time with arthritis. He
often watched what was happening and noted that, when the pain was
most
acute, myriads of microbes, which he described as "arrow-headed,"
had their heads imbedded, all packed thick, in the covering of the
nerve, as if devouring it. It was at this period that the pain was
most violent and insupportable. Then came later a period of duller
pain, and at this time the microbes had disappeared. But there was
a brown deposit on the nerves where the microbes had been. Whether
the brown deposit was the disintegrated microbes or not, was not
investigated. It was not possible to determine whether these
microbes were ultra-microscopic, because there was no microbe of
ascertained size with which to compare. When the infinitesimally
minute is magnified by clairvoyant power, it can be magnified to
various sizes, but its relative size compared to other things cannot
be determined unless some standard also is taken.
Neuritis
In 1912 one of our friends was suffering very badly from neuritis
in the arm. C. W. L. examining the nerve described its condition as
follows:
Each nerve has a coating of etheric matter. In this case of
neuritis, this nerve coating was eaten away, and there were gaps in
the coating, in the same kind of way there are gaps or empty spaces
when a film of oil floating on water is broken up so as to leave
water spaces in the oil surface. The sufferer's nerve was exposed
thus in various places. As there was a brown deposit round the edge
of the exposed spaces, the probability seemed to be that some
trouble had occurred, and that the exposure was due to the presence
of the brown material which was saltish in taste. The person
suffering from neuritis began at this time to take some lithia
tablets which helped to lessen the pain. A question not followed up
was, whether in the tabloids there were any etheric particles which
could be utilized by the body to cover up the broken spaces of the
nerve covering, or whether they merely helped to dissolve the brown
sediment.
Rheumatic Fever
In 1924 C. W. Leadbeater suffered acutely from a very violent
onset of rheumatic fever, with all the joints painfully swollen.
His suffering at times was intense. Once he examined clairvoyantly
what was happening, and in describing it to me said there seemed to
be certain "arrow-headed creatures" (evidently bacteria) which
attacked in cohorts the edge of the nerve and consumed it. It was
this boring into the nerve with the pointed beads by the bacteria
which caused the sharp pain.
Paralysis
A case was noted of a friend of C. W. L., who, he said, would
have an attack if he did not take care. C. W. L. came to this
conclusion, because a curious dislocation of parts of the etheric
body from the denser body had begun to appear. Were this incipient
dislocation to proceed, paralysis would be the result. The friend
did not have an attack, and so presumably he followed the warnings
of a nervous breakdown, and warded it off.
An interesting case of an unusual form of creeping paralysis was
also examined. In this case, the patient had had a slight spinal
injury as a girl, when riding. The injury in no way incapacitated
her. But slowly a form of paralysis affecting the limbs from the
hip down began to manifest itself, till year after year the limbs,
including the arms also, became steadily more and more out of
control of the will. An investigation of this case showed that the
root of the trouble was not injured nerves, though that may have
been the case. At the time of examination, which was several years
after the original accident, the cause of the incipient paralysis
was seen in the condition of the cells in a centre of the brain.
Each cell there, when examined, was abnormal in its electric
response among its own constituents. Within the cell, there exist
certain groups which have positive and negative electrical quality,
and normally to an external application of electricity they respond
instantly with the usual repulsion of like to like. In .the case,
however, of these particular cells, the electric response was
greatly dulled, and the repulsion was slower. This in some way
interfered with the proper control through the nerves of the muscles
of the limbs involved.
Epilepsy
Thirty years ago. C. W. L. investigated a case of epilepsy, and
noted what happened at the time
of an attack. He noted that all at once the flow of etheric
currents from the brain was suddenly broken, just as an electric
light goes out when a fuse is burnt out. This disconnection of the
currents caused the attack. On a superficial glance, he could see
no particular reason for the brain disconnection at one moment
rather than another.
Electricity and Prana
Several times C. W. L, has watched to see if there was any change
produced in the Prana when electricity was poured into the body. He
has himself allowed a high frequency current of over 100,000 volts
to pass through him. Not the slightest effect was noted on the flow
of Pranic currents. In fact, the two types of forces, Prana and
electricity, were of such totally different qualities that neither
affected the other. Hence an electric current in no way added Prana
or vitality to the body, nor did it in any way interfere with its
flow. So far as was noted, during the passage of the high-frequency
current, the function of the nerves did not seem to be affected.
But it should be noted here that no specific investigation was made,
but only a general observation.
The Flow of Forces Adyar 18th October. 1932.
C. J.
Last night as I was doing the first big diagram of the
Dumb-bells, I noted the body of six Anu in the middle in the
connecting rod of Sodium was curious in the alignment in the placing
of the dots. Looking up the breaking up by Dr. Besant in the
diagrams of 1907, I see it is not a mistake. C. W. L.. however,
looked it up again and on the whole it seems better to put the two
middle dots nearer. He stated those two spin faster than the rest.
Then I told him that as I had to write the brief article describing
the funnels. I had to state what was the material of the funnel I
had not hitherto been able to get a clear statement on the matter.
He went into it and discovered quite a new line of facts. First,
how ever, the funnel, which is of course only a temporary affair, is
composed of astral atomic matter which is pushed back by the
movement of the things inside it.
Let me now write it out
from my very hasty scribble jotted down as C. W. L. went on talking.
C. W. L.
The funnel is astral matter pushed back, but also there is
mental matter pushed back by the things inside the funnel. Besides
the revolution of the funnels, the whole atom of course revolves.
There are stages in this thing.
Under ordinary conditions the Anu floating in space exist in and
among the Oxygen and Hydrogen atoms. Each of these two latter has
its boundary wall but the Anu do not interpenetrate that
wall.
C. J.
Of what is the shell of the Oxygen atom composed?
Something is surely pushed back?
C. W. L.
There is a thing here I do not under stand. I may see it
in a moment. Every physical thing has an astral counterpart.
But the astral counterpart does not agree. The astral counterpart
of Oxygen is not Oxygen. I never tried to separate these things
before. The astral matter cannot penetrate that ovoid of Oxygen
except in its atomic form, and even atomic astral matter does not
interpenetrate the Oxygen snakes. Astral atomic matter appears to
be penetrating the chemical atom, but does not penetrate the
funnels. There is, nevertheless, something which does
penetrate, possibly mental atomic matter. I will make some empty
space, though I do not know what will happen, possibly an explosion
of sorts.
C. J.
That is, pure space with no atomic matter of any plane at
all?
C. W. L.
(finds he cannot do that without coming to the bubbles.)
I am going to the stratosphere. There are still Anu but they
arc far apart, look like miles apart compared to their size. What
is between them? Astral atoms again, very far apart, and also
mental atoms. How does light get across space ...?
The funnel
is astral atomic matter pushed back. There are little things within the
funnel which drive things out on their own account. They push out mental
matter.
This is a new idea, but the chemical atom as a whole pushes back
all ordinary astral matter, and that funnel pushes back even astral
atomic matter. Mental matter can penetrate except some of the
things inside the funnels. Where there is a definite centre even
mental matter is pushed back.
C. W. L.
(took gold and examined first the connecting rod made of
the two elipses.) That pushes back astral atomic matter. But in
the centre there is the grand affair of 16 pieces of Occultum, Au
33, and four groups. This middle sun certainly pushes back mental
matter. It may be that as it is very hard, it is on the Buddhic
level perhaps.
What is the difference between the Diamond and coal? Certainly
the former is composed of 500 odd Carbons, whereas coal is in groups
of twos and threes. The terrific holding power of the Carbons in
the Diamond drives out a higher order of matter than do the Carbons
in coal.
Any group that moves exceedingly rapidly seems to drive out
higher matter so that it cannot interpenetrate.
If you melt gold, the nicely balanced relation of the leaves.
Au 33, in the two elipses is upset. The general balanced
coordination of the components of gold is upset so long as the gold
is in a heated condition. When it is cooled again the coordination
and the original configuration would be restored. In melting the
metal the chemical atom becomes larger, spreading away more from the
centre and therefore there is not the same cohesion.
All these forces are tangled up with the forces of the Anu
itself, the force through from top to bottom and that through the
spirals.
The Electron : The Last Investigation
The last
investigation was made on October 13th, 1933. A radio receiving set was
used as we wished to find out what was the electron. It is not our Anu
but might possibly be an astral atom. The valve, which is supposed to be
throwing off streams of electrons, was examined.
Just as the work was suspended, Mr. Leadbeater thought that he
had a glimpse of what lay at the back of the nature of positive and
negative in electricity. It seemed as if this distinction went as
far back as the nature of the "bubble" itself in Koilon. But he was
tired and the work was suspended. I left for South America for a
year. Next year Mr. Leadbeater passed away at the age of 87.
Participants --
C. W. L.
C. J.,
Mr. K. Zuurman.
There was a Globe with two metal plates inside, connected by a
coiled filament.
C. J.
(heats a piece of ordinary iron) First see what happens
when a piece of iron is heated. What we want to know is - when hot,
the ordinary theory is that the particles vibrate more rapidly. We
want to know whether it sends off any emanations or any particles.
C. W. L.
I do not think so, but it may presently when it gets hot.
C. J.
Is the heat producing any change in the astral atmosphere
round it?
C. W. L.
Of course; everything - astral and physical - vibrates
somewhat more strongly but if you want to heat it enough to affect
the astral matter, you will need ... It makes very little
difference to the astral.
C. J.
The ordinary heating of this does not produce a discharge
of particles?
C. W. L.
It has not yet, but perhaps it may if you make it hot
enough, because it is true that a thing sufficiently heated does
burn away.
C. J.
That is not the idea. Does it emanate these things? Do
the electrons come off? (The two metal plates and filament are
heated)
C. J.
Do you want only the plate heated?
K. Z.
Only the plate. It is the filament which produces the
electrons. I will remove one plate.
C. W. L.
What is the electron like? How will we know it?
C. J.
Here is something which we can make red hot. A needle.
Now it is quite red hot. Does it throw off anything now?
C. W. L.
I do not see that it is throwing off anything physical.
Mind, it is causing radiations round it.
C. J.
Of what?
C. W. L.
All sorts of things. Everything that comes near it is
affected by it.
C. J.
Just as a hot current of air throws about leaves. Is the
red-hot needle discharging a stream of anything?
C. W. L.
Not out of itself, but it does heat the ether and
everything else immediately around it. It is not causing any
electric action.
C. J.
Is it sending off parts of itself which we could call
electrons?
C. W. L.
I do not know what an electron is. There is nothing
particular happening, except far more violent vibrations. (Plate
and filament brought)
C. J.
You see the little M or V on the filament? When the
filament is heated, then electrons flow in because this gets a
current through. Then from the hot filament, it draws off
particles. It causes the discharge of something that are called
electrons. We can't test that because we have no current through
here.
C. W. L.
It is red hot already.
C. J.
In that condition produce an electric current. Now examine
what is happening inside. The positive will be drawing off from the
hot filament a certain number of things. (Go to radio near window)
C. W. L.
Where is that grid arrangement inside?
K. Z.
It is covered up; you can't see it. (Current is turned
on in machine)
C. W. L.
Hot?
K. Z.
A little bit.
C. W. L.
The difference then is that electricity is running through
that.
C. J.
And running through that filament that is hot produces a
pull of something that are called electrons.
C. W. L.
It certainly creates a considerable disturbance all round
it. Are these things radiating clean out through the machine?
C. J.
Now what happens?
K. Z.
They are discharged and go through the valve and back
through - a continual flow of current.
C. W. L.
What is it, the current that is going up and down the
business that you showed us?
C. J.
A negative current?
K. Z.
Yes, but that has nothing to do with it.
C. J.
It is merely to make the filament hot by the current.
Another electric current, positive, makes this positive and draws
over the negative particles in the filament.
C. W. L.
There is a current; I do not know what it is. Whatever it
is, it can sweep the ordinary Anu before it.
C. J.
Anu of what?
C. W. L.
Well, the ordinary Anu.
C. J.
Where is this current?
C. W. L.
It appears to be coming in your ordinary electricity coming in.
C. J.
That is in the grid, but that is very much like
ordinary electricity going through the tungsten
wire of a bulb.
K. Z.
The current flows here always, except here one filament.
C. W. L.
Flows across?
K. Z.
Yes.
C. J.
Between the grid and the plate?
K. Z.
No, between the filament and the plate. The whole circle
is closed except there.
C. W. L.
When the electricity is flowing through, there is a vast
amount of general activity all about there. What you want is to
pick out from that general activity these things that you call
electrons.
C. J.
The gap between the filament and the plate?
C. W. L.
Light is shining across.
C. J.
What is it made of?
C. W. L.
Something glowing, of course.
C. J.
That is what we want to know.
C. W. L.
Just between the filament and the one plate. Look here,
just let me try another chair, in case of accidents. (Takes an arm
chair.) Now then, I am going to hold that - this is where the
President (Dr. Besant) would come in so usefully -in the same place
physically, and then shoot up into the astral and look down at it.
See here, it is not quite a real thing, it is a maya. The light
shooting across is not really continuous at all. It gives that
effect, like a whirling stick. Wait a minute. You are breaking up
the ordinary Anu.
C. J.
Into the astral?
C. W. L.
Of course, into the primordial, into the Adi plane of
bubbles, but they dart back in a moment (as astral atoms). We are
watching something which I do not know how to count. It is taking
place so rapidly you have to count in thousandths of seconds or
millionths.
C. J.
What is taking place?
C. W. L.
This much. Your Anu breaks up and reforms, many times
within a dash. The thing is not continuous at all, but looks as if
it were.
C. J.
One Anu after another gets disintegrated?
C. W. L.
It is a very small interval, and yet in that interval they
appear to disintegrate and come together on the other side probably
a thousand times in a second or more.
C. J.
But where are these Anu from?
C. W. L.
They are being swept along by the current apparently. What
have you done to the current? Have you slackened that current at
all?
C. J.
Are the Anu from the coating of the filament, the outermost
sheath?
C. W. L.
It is all happening so tremendously quickly. I am going to
slow it down. I do not want to burst anything. Slow it down and
see what happens. I thought at first that it was flowing in one way
as a current; but if you slow it down a little, it does not appear
to be doing that. It is really flowing backwards and forwards. It
looks as though it were running one way, but it is like that (makes
a motion) and then going on. Why is that, and what is it? You say
these electrons ought to be streaming out somewhere?
C. J.
Towards the middle of the plate from the filament.
C. W. L.
That is where they are going. I had the impression that
you thought they would radiate out of the machine. They do not.
C. J.
In the middle of the plate with the current?
C. W. L.
I am sorry, but as far as I can see they are flowing
backwards and forwards with inconceivable rapidity; and one would
almost say that it is only at intervals that one of them is caught
and goes on. Does it delay the flow?
C. J.
I do not know. Is it the Anu flowing backwards and
forwards?
C. W. L.
The Anu is disintegrated.
C. J.
Is it the astral that is flowing backwards and forwards
C. W. L.
Yes.
C. J.
Obviously what they call the electron is the astral atom.
Our Anu is broken up into 49 astral atoms.
C. W. L.
Yes, broken up into its constituent bubbles.
C. J.
It is they that are flowing back and forth, and finally one
gets absorbed in the current and goes along.
C. W. L.
That is probably happening several hundred times in a
second.
C. J.
What are the rest? Where do they get discharged? Into the
astral atmosphere?
C. W. L.
They are kept in very violent motion. (Shut off the
current in the machine)
C. W. L.
It has all gone back to its ordinary condition. I do not
believe they have lost any electrons.
C. J.
Slight loss? Now we will have the same position, but will
put on the grid. It will have the effect of steadying that flowing
back and forth. (Try to get some broadcasting, but get only noise)
C. W. L.
What makes that noise?
K. Z.
The pump at the printing press, or power-house.
C. W. L.
That is noise coming through the wire?
C.J.
The grid is working now. What is it doing to the coming back and
forth?
C. W. L.
Wait a bit. The noise is coming through the machinery. So
we ought to be able to see what is to be sent, even though the howls
are fiendish. The grid, you say, modifies the noise?
C. J.
The purpose of the grid is to get the rate higher
or lower.
C. W. L
I should say that the grid was rather an obstruction.
C. J.
It is intended to be.
K. Z.
The grid discharges positive whichever current flows.
C.J.
If the grid is positive, and since the plate is also
positive, then the flow of electrons is more and more.
K. Z.
When it is negative, then the flow is reduced. (Turn off
the noise. No music)
C. W. L.
Current was flowing through. Here is another curious thing
I did not notice before. Why does it split up your Anu? I think it
not only splits him up, it sorts him out. There are positive and
negative Anu. One goes on one side and the other on another. I want
just to follow that. It is difficult for our thickheaded human
conceptions to grasp that these things can take place at this
amazing rapidity, not lightning but a hundred times that speed. It
is sorting out negative and positive.
C. J.
What does the negative do?
C. W. L.
Goes on one side, and the other on the other.
C. J.
But does it get absorbed into the plate?
C. W. L.
Yes; it all comes together again. But wait a minute; what
I am trying to see is whether by any of these actions you can
change a positive Anu into a negative one, or a negative into a
positive. I cannot be sure of that yet. But where is this solar
system scheme that we are supposed to see - a negative atom going
around a positive? Aren't we?
C. J.
Well, leave these theories, if you please; and investigate
and tell us what you see. We will build a theory. What is
happening to the positive and negative Anu? What follows?
C. W. L.
But it follows so desperately quickly that I cannot follow
it. It takes some slowing down scheme, but in doing that I probably
will affect it. A good deal depends on the rapidity of the
vibration. Is this supposed to be hot?
K. Z.
Yes.
C. W. L.
Red hot?
K. Z.
No; dark hot.
C. W. L.
But it all looks to me like a blinding light. Now it is at
your receiving station that these things are sorted somehow back
into sound vibrations and all that. Aren't they?
K. Z.
Yes; it is a confusing process. The first valve sends wave
lengths. If I take the first valve, probably the process will be
more simple.
C. J.
What have you now?
K. Z.
All three valves. I'll make it with one valve only.
C. W. L.
The three valves would only intensify the process.
K. Z.
The first one is a different process. It is all sorted
out, the sound waves from the wave length of the station. Now there
is only one valve.
C. W. L.
When you have all three of them going on, from first to
second they are strengthened, not altered.
C. J.
What is "they"?
C. W. L.
Anu, I suppose; but what I rather want to know is how this picking up
is done, and what is the object of it. Do they come together in some different
arrangement afterwards? But I do not quite
see that they do. Only it is so quick that you cannot very well
follow it. I was certainly hoping that this process would change
the positive into negative, and vice versa; but I cannot prove that
it does. Wait a minute. I was trying to count the wretched things,
slowing them down enormously, a thousand times, watching the number
of male and female that went in, to see whether the numbers go out
on the other side.
C. J.
Went where?
C. W. L.
Those flowing across.
C. J.
And go back to the filament again?
C. W. L.
No, no. Go into the plate.
K. Z.
Filament to plate.
C. J.
But before that they flow back and forth?
C. W. L.
A hundred times before they are split perhaps. Remember
that whirlpool at Niagara; some bits go round twenty times before
they are swept away. It is like that, but a few million times
faster. Where are these electrons of yours? Are they the little
globes or balls of astral atoms, I wonder? But aren't they
supposed to exist all over the place everywhere?
C. J.
Yes.
C. W. L.
These things do not; they are made for the occasion.
C. J.
What causes the thing to flow back and forth?
C. W. L
I am not quite sure that the thing does not flow back and
forth normally. Lightning does that.
C. J.
There is one pull and the other. The filament negative and
the plate positive, and it flows back and forth between them. You
say, when the current is going through the wire, there is a series
of astral atoms going through the outermost sheath, or is it a
series of Anu?
C. W. L.
Running along the outside of the wire, the ordinary
electric wire.
C. J.
It is a series of astral atoms that goes through?
C. W. L
I don't know that they would be necessarily astral. They
would be the ordinary Anu, I think, but electrified, a strain set up
at a particular angle.
C. J.
Not in the filament but along the wire; there is a stream
of ordinary Anu flowing under the sheath of the wire. Is that it?
C. W. L
But they are being swept along it, mind you. The Anu has
no volition of its own.
C. J.
Where from?
C. W. L
The electricity picks them up. We never see electricity.
It is driving these things before it.
C. J.
Does it pick up from the atmosphere the Anu everywhere?
C. W. L
Yes, and it is ... there is another ... probably
fifty. See here. When you send an electric current through, you
stir up all creation for an inch or two on each side of it, so to
speak. Is that what you call the magnetic field?
C. J.
Yes.
C. W. L.
That is a different kind of reaction, a kind of backwash.
How separate the effect of one thing from the effect of another? I
do not think we can escape from the idea that there is a radiation
at right angles to the wire.
C. J.
Yes, that is inside. I would like, if you take two wires -
positive and negative - can you see that in one wire there is one
type of Anu going along, and in the other another?
C. W. L.
You have one thing over, which is very much separate.
C. J.
Which?
C. W. L.
I can see it from here. It is that one which sets the
light over the disc going. He is very much separate.
C. J.
Now you can study the two lots. In these two, are there
two separate sets of Anu?
K. Z.
It is all one type of current going through there.
C. W. L.
What do you consider you are sending along it?
K. Z.
Maybe plus or minus; I don't know.
C. W. L
How can you know?
C. J.
The easiest way to observe is in these two - this is plus.
that is minus. Then you can sort it out.
C. W. L.
You definitely have two separate things there. How do you
separate them?
C. J.
Better resume another time. Let's get on with the electron
business where a positive thing comes along, going back through the
bulb. Going out negative.
K. Z.
Because you have got pressure there it is changed. We call
it plus and minus. (Makes a diagram of a dynamo.) Here on the bulb
is plus or minus.
C. J.
That is your bulb. Here is a current going through this
wire. How to change the plus to minus?
K. Z.
The dynamo does it. By running in the magnetic field, one
side becomes plus, and the other side minus. You get a sort of
average. The average is the weight of pressure.
C. W. L.
But it seems to me that there is a stream of things coming
down from the astral, and a stream of things being sucked up. What
the dynamo is doing is sucking up the other thing, and these two are
sort of complementary. It is generating one type of current,
drawing it from the astral, and the other time sucking up another
type from below.
K. Z.
Suppose you have one magnet very strong, just a single one.
You move it along, there you have currents.
C. J.
One type?
K. Z.
No, plus and minus, both. The current goes in a certain
direction that we call plus or minus, according to the way it goes.
C. J.
Always you must have the earth as one pole?
K. Z.
No. Since you close the wire into a circle, you have a
current flowing.
C. W. L.
Then the thing becomes magnetic?
K. Z.
No, we have the magnet before.
C. W. L.
That is where the current is made
K. Z.
Yes, because it flows.
C. J.
Does it flow alternately?
K. Z.
In one wire always the current is in a certain direction.
The direction of the flow of the current changes.
C. W. L.
What we have to find out is, what is the current itself?
It may be the Divine Life for all we know.
Adyar, Madras, India,
10th November, 1932.
The following was written by Mr. C. W. Leadbeater after the
conclusion of the main series of observations.
"The work on Occult Chemistry is finished at last; that is to say,
one small section of it is finished - the special piece of work that
the President (Dr. Besant) and I set ourselves to achieve when we
began our investigations in 1895. Thirty-seven years it has taken.
though we have been able to work at it only spasmodically, and what
has been done during the last two years I have had to do with Raja's
(C. Jinarajadasa's) help. Raja from almost the very beginning has
been our recorder, our calculator and draftsman, and without him we
should never have succeeded even so far as we have. We have
catalogued all known elements, and added half a dozen or so which
are still undiscovered by science. We have classified them, and
drawn the shapes of their chemical atoms, now it will be for our
successors to make the deductions and try to formulate more
definitely the great laws under which the Third Aspect of the Logos
chooses to work. No one who has seen the orderly lines along which
evolution progresses and the wonderful skill with which the
combinations are made could possibly doubt the existence of a Great
Plan and of the Great Architect of the Universe who is patiently
working it all out."
FIG. 225. SPIRAL REPRESENTATION OF THE PERIODIC LAW
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IG. 226. TETRAHEDRON. SHOWING FUNNELS AND SPIKES
IG. 227. CURE. SHOWING FUNNEL AND SPIKES
IG. 228. OCTAHEDRON.SHOWING FUNNELS AND SPIKES
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Notes and reports of certain of the Investigations
349-390
OBSERVATION at a distance
350
Occultum
2, 3, 4, 36, 37, 43, 46, 47, 63, 129, 353, 385
Octahedron
5, 28, 29, 32, 392
Octahedron Group A
205-222
B
223-236
Orange
381
Organic compounds
312-333
Osmium
237, 244, 245
Oxygen
1, 2, 9, 29, 36, 87-96, 110, 111, 334
Ozone
96, 353-354
PALLADIUM
237, 240, 241
Paralysis
383
Pendulum
30, 32-35
Periodic Law
4, 5, 30, 32-34
Phenol
323, 375-376
Phosphorus
177-179, 196, 197
Phosphoric Acid
294, 295, 362-363
Plane, Astral
13-19
Mental
19
Buddhic
19
Platinum
3-5, 237, 244, 245, 334, 335
Platonic Solids
7, 28, 29, 354
Polonium
117, 134, 135, 353
Potassium
48, 50, 51, 59-61, 253
Chlorate
308, 309, 334
Cyanide
310, 311, 367-370
Nitrate
306, 307, 366-367
Praeseodymium
145, 156-158
Prana
384
Preston, Elizabeth W.
8
Proto-Actinium
145, 168-171
Protyle
30
Pyridine
328, 329, 377-378
Pythagorean School
354
RADIUM
3, 31, 87, 104, 105, 261, 350, 351
Radon
249, 260, 261
Ramsay, Sir William
2
Rhenium
4, 48, 56, 57
Rheumatic fever
383
Rhodium
237, 240, 241
Rubidium
48, 50, 51, 59-61
Ruthenium
237, 240, 241
SALICYLIC Acid
326, 327, 377
Sal Volatile
381
Salt
2, 3, 30, 270
Salts of lemon
381
Samarium
63, 64, 69, 71
Sandal wood
381
Scandium
145, 148, 149, 174, 175
Secret Doctrine, The
22
Selenium
117, 120, 121, 140, 141
Selenium Star
120, 121
Silicon
223-225, 232, 233
Silver
64, 65, 68, 78, 80, 81
Nitrate
336, 337
Sinnett, A. P.
3
Smallpox
382
Smell
381
Sodium
28, 30, 64, 65, 76, 77
Carbonate
272
Chloride
270
Hydroxide
268 354, 355
Nitrate
304, 305, 365-366
Sphere Wall
15, 28
Soria y Mata, Senor Arturo
29
Spike Group
5, 28, 32, 48-62
Spirilla
14, 17, 19, 23
Stannous Oxide
290, 291
Stannic Oxide
292, 293
Star Group
5, 28, 32, 249-264
Strontium
87, 98, 99, 114, 115
Sulphur
117-119, 136, 137, 353
Sulphuric Acid
280, 281, 360-361
Sydney (Australia)
3
TANTALUM
145, 162-164
Tartaric Acid
316, 317, 374-375
Tellurium
117, 124, 125, 142, 143
Terbium
223, 228, 229
Tetrahedron
5, 28, 29, 32, 392
Tetrahedron Group A
87-116
Tetrahedron Group B
117-144
Tetrahedrons
5 interlaced, 29, 354
Thallium
177, 190-193
Three dimensional drawing, diagram for
381
Outpourings
The 17, 22
Thorium
205, 214-217
Thulium
48, 54, 55
Tin
223, 226, 227, 234, 235
Tin Oxide
290-293
Titanium
205-207, 218, 219
Tungsten
87, 102, 103
Types of E2 Matter
24
Types of E3 Matter
25
Types of E4 Matter
27
Theosophical Society, The
2, 3
Theosophist, The
3-5, 42
Tyndall
67
Trichoro Methane
314, 371
ULTIMATE Physical Atom or Anu
2, 4, 10, 12, 13, 17, 19, 20, and see Anu
Uranium
31, 32, 87, 106, 107
Urea
300, 301, 365
VALENCE
5, 32, 312, 315, 322, 333, 379
Vanadium
145, 148, 149, 174, 175
Vitality Globule
94-95
WATER
3, 41, 265, 334, 349-350
Weisser-Hirsch
2, 3, 5, 29, 381
X
3, 237, 242, 243
Xenon
5, 249, 256, 257
Y
3, 237, 242, 243
Ytterbium
87, 102, 103
Yttrium
145, 150, 151, 174, 175
Z
3, 237, 242, 243
Zinc
117, 118, 119, 136, 138, 139
Zirconium
205, 208, 209, 220, 221
Zuurman, K.
385
ADDENDA
Fluorine
Mr. Leadbeater noted that Fluorine was in violent action, its point
moving backwards and forwards like a piston. In this way it affects
even glass.
Radium
Mr. Leadbeater did not observe any disintegration of the Radium atom
as a whole. What appears to be disintegrated particles of Radium,
as observed in Crookes' Spinthariscope, are in reality groups of E2
and E3 matter drawn in through the funnels, rotated and heated by
the central sphere, and then violently shot out through the spikes.
Carbon
Mr. Leadbeater examined some Carbon which had formed part of the
Carbon points of an arc lamp. It had been subjected to the action
of electricity and raised to a very high temperature. He found that
the eight funnels were not so close to the central part as before,
and that the spirillae in the Anu had been aroused into greater
activity, although not sufficiently to make a permanent change. He
thought that the atoms thus affected might combine more easily than
before.
ERRATA
[These nine 3rd edition errata have been applied to the text. They are
nonetheless retained here.]
Page 46. ERRATA Fig.20. On the E2 level of Ad 12 insert
two 2's. (applied)
Page 88. ERRATA Fig. 43x. There should be eleven, not
ten, groups of two Anu between each group of seven Anu.
(applied)
Page 123. Line 10. Read 4 Zn 20 instead of 3 Zn 20.
(applied).
Page 204.
ERRATA Fig. 116. The Indium funnel B should contain two In 14
and one In 16. (applied).
In Thallium and Bismuth centres read TI not Te.
(applied).
Page 315. Line 1. Read Ethyl Alcohol instead of Ethane.
(applied).
Page 324. ERRATA In Figs. 206 delete the six spheres of
Hydrogen under the Hydroxyl Group.
(applied)
Page 326. ERRATA In Figs. 208 delete the six spheres of
Hydrogen under the Hydroxyl Group.
(applied)
Page 331. ERRATA In Figs. 212 delete the six spheres of
Hydrogen under the Hydroxyl Group.
(applied).